Synthetic Oil

[Grams]

If a “tick” is a mechanical failure…then no oil…magical or otherwise…will cure it…. it doesn’t matter what brand name is pasted on the label.

 

[Burla]

Sad because the founder wasn't like that. Bob was a cool guy that started that place mostly to sell shaeffers. However, even when it was going south he kinda stayed out of it. He could have put the kybosh on that back then.

 

[HEMIMANN]

When I posted side by side videos showing RL quieted my Hemi and it was shot down because it went against the rhetoric there, I lost all faith in the so called "experts" there.

I did something similar with a VOA/UOA over there and was verbally attacked, even after they knew my background. I was pi$$ed off, to say the least. I'd had enough of that elitist crap within corporate America where I worked. This was supposed to be a club for enthusiasts to discuss and share, but it turned out to be some arrogant needy people.

Anyway, I'm glad you guys are still hangin' around despite Hemi being a dinosaur motor (for new production vehicles).

P.S. - reminder: tomorrow is black friday sales @ Wally's, Amazon, and HPL!!!

 

[Burla]

If a “tick” is a mechanical failure…then no oil…magical or otherwise…will cure it…. it doesn’t matter what brand name is pasted on the label.

I guess what you are missing if I might be so bold, is brand never had anything to do with it. Science says certain additives and base oils have different properties when it comes to lubricity. It's just a fact that these lower the coefficient of friction. Since we don't have any white paper on PPM of said additives versus metal out of tolerance, it is rather hard to prove your statement either way. Not to mention what can be said if said additives have a large % of ending the tick in the truck. Did the additive provide enough lubricity to stop the tick, or somehow mask it? Because rules of random samples suggest if you can gather a group of over 50 randomly, then you have some valid information and trends can be assumed. That would be social science, not as accurate as science, but assumptions can be made.

 

[Travis8352]

Hadn't heard that! What is wrong with those people?

They viewed it as just marketing junk, some said just use HPL if you need cleaning capabilities. Others said the valvoline pictures of proof is just marketing. Well plenty of proof over there that it works now to

 

[Travis8352]

When I posted side by side videos showing RL quieted my Hemi and it was shot down because it went against the rhetoric there, I lost all faith in the so called "experts" there.

I noticed over there any improvement provided by redline is always disregarded as "well yeah their heavier than off the shelf oils what did you expect!" Yet when HPL improves anything they praise it.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I noticed over there any improvement provided by redline is always disregarded as "well yeah their heavier than off the shelf oils what did you expect!" Yet when HPL improves anything they praise it.

= cult behavior

 

[knightjp]

If a “tick” is a mechanical failure…then no oil…magical or otherwise…will cure it…. it doesn’t matter what brand name is pasted on the label.

You are correct. Oil isn't going to fix it or cure it - completely. But evidence points to RL and HPL being oils quieten the tick so much that it thought of as cured. What they actually do is pretty much prevent further damage and prolong the need for a rebuild; especially if you catch it early enough.
Some say the Hemi is designed that way and the tick is inevitable. Nonsense.
Currently with the amount of mileage I've done since the last rebuild and changing of the lifters, by all counts, I should be experiencing the lifter tick by now - especially since I haven't used HPL or Redline in my engine. Neither have I used Lubegard.
This tells me that my current strategy is working. Now I don't have data to like UOAs to back this up, but my engine is sounding pretty smooth and quiet.

 

[Hemi395]

Goes over everything we've been saying all along about GDI, the etorque unit, and the higher volume oil pump.

Master Tech Gives His Wish List For The 2026 RAM 1500 5.7L V8 HEMI!

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[Curmudgeon]

@Travis8352 - I just looked on Advanced Lubrication, Inc. website, a case of (4) 1 gallon HPL SuperCar 0W-30 with -20% sale price (more than our forum RamForum15%) works out to $12.50 per quart + tax & $25 shipping. Wowsa!

It's about 8:55am here on the East Coast, don't know what time it is in Illinois, but no Black Friday discount shows for me. The ad that splashes on the front page calls it a small business discount and I don't have a small business.

I'll try again around 11am and see what's going on. With this discount I could get the 4 1-gallon case shipped cheaper than the 2 6-packs of 1 quart!

Worst case I'll just go ahead and use the 15%.
Anyone else try this and have success with it today?

 

[HEMIMANN]

It's about 8:55am here on the East Coast, don't know what time it is in Illinois, but no Black Friday discount shows for me. The ad that splashes on the front page calls it a small business discount and I don't have a small business.

I'll try again around 11am and see what's going on. With this discount I could get the 4 1-gallon case shipped cheaper than the 2 6-packs of 1 quart!

Worst case I'll just go ahead and use the 15%.
Anyone else try this and have success with it today?

Not yet, they are 3rd on my list of to-do's. I just bought 3 jugs of Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 from Wally's.

 

[Curmudgeon]

*UPDATE* I just got off the phone with Debbie at Advanced Lubrication.

She said THEY were the small business and anyone can get the 20% discount on any order(s) site-wide.

She also said it was not a Black Friday sale as it begins after midnight Friday, so starting at 12:01am Saturday through 11:59pm Monday night.

Also, shipping is limited to $25 per order regardless of how much you order. And if shipping shows up lower we pay the lower, just no more than $25.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Not yet, they are 3rd on my list of to-do's. I just bought 3 jugs of Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 from Wally's.

See my post above and wait until tomorrow

 

[HEMIMANN]

See my post above and wait until tomorrow

It's a Black Weekend Sale! lol

Thanks for digging this out for us and sharing!

@Travis8352

 

[White six four]

Not yet, they are 3rd on my list of to-do's. I just bought 3 jugs of Mobil 1 ESP 0W-30 from Wally's.

What's the sale on this? I'm seeing $27 a jug which was what it was when I checked in store on Monday and on their website last night. After my pup 5w30 supply runs out I'm planning on switching the wife's rig and my work car over to the esp thanks to you fine folks.

 

[Wild one]

Goes over everything we've been saying all along about GDI, the etorque unit, and the higher volume oil pump.

Master Tech Gives His Wish List For The 2026 RAM 1500 5.7L V8 HEMI!

Is the HEMI V8 coming back? Here's some information regarding that question from a master tech! || Like || Subscribe || Share ||Here is the link https://bank...

youtu.be

I don't agree with his oil pump theories.If you have a 1/2" diameter hole,the only way you're forcing more oil through that hole is by upping the pressure,not upping the volumn. A high volumn oil pump making 50 psi at idle isn't forcing anymore oil through the system then a stock pump does that also makes the same 50 psi at idle.The Hemi measures oil pressure after the filter,and 50 psi is 50 psi whether it's made with a stock pump or a high volumn pump,and you're still not moving more oil through the engine,as the holes inside the engine haven't been increased in size.
Out of all the stock intake manifolds,the cars single runner intake out flows all the dual runner intakes.I actually have swapped the 5.7 car intake onto a couple 6.4 Challengers,and it always floors the tuners when the 5.7 car intake makes more power and flows more air above 4,000 rpm.

 

[Hemi395]

I don't agree with his oil pump theories.If you have a 1/2" diameter hole,the only way you're forcing more oil through that hole is by upping the pressure,not upping the volumn. A high volumn oil pump making 50 psi at idle isn't forcing anymore oil through the system then a stock pump does that also makes the same 50 psi at idle.The Hemi measures oil pressure after the filter,and 50 psi is 50 psi whether it's made with a stock pump or a high volumn pump,and you're still not moving more oil through the engine,as the holes inside the engine haven't been increased in size.
Out of all the stock intake manifolds,the cars single runner intake out flows all the dual runner intakes.I actually have swapped the 5.7 car intake onto a couple 6.4 Challengers,and it always floors the tuners when the 5.7 car intake makes more power and flows more air above 4,000 rpm.

I agree, bumping the idle up to 650+ is a better option IMO. Plus I have not seen the 5.7 be starved for oil at higher rpms...

What really caught my attention in this video was GDI and the problems they create

 

[Sherman Bird]

You are correct. Oil isn't going to fix it or cure it - completely. But evidence points to RL and HPL being oils quieten the tick so much that it thought of as cured. What they actually do is pretty much prevent further damage and prolong the need for a rebuild; especially if you catch it early enough.
Some say the Hemi is designed that way and the tick is inevitable. Nonsense.
Currently with the amount of mileage I've done since the last rebuild and changing of the lifters, by all counts, I should be experiencing the lifter tick by now - especially since I haven't used HPL or Redline in my engine. Neither have I used Lubegard.
This tells me that my current strategy is working. Now I don't have data to like UOAs to back this up, but my engine is sounding pretty smooth and quiet.

I remember Andy Granatelli advertising STP oil treatment way back in the 70's. I used it in standard transmissions for years to cure hard shifting when the 90 weight was cold. I'd add 100ml or so (not much, mind you) and every customer just raved over how smoothly the gear shifting had become!
As far as putting it in my motor oil, eh, not so much.
Today, there is so much information regarding the different additives and guidance for application of them, that fixing problems in many different engines seems easier.

 

[HEMIMANN]

What's the sale on this? I'm seeing $27 a jug which was what it was when I checked in store on Monday and on their website last night. After my pup 5w30 supply runs out I'm planning on switching the wife's rig and my work car over to the esp thanks to you fine folks.

Sale is @ HPL, Wally's has low price on M1 ESP 0W-30.

My stash from today for our two turbo GDI motors:

 

[skates15]

I like me some Molly! I've only used Red Line, 5/30 when not winter and 0/30 during winter in Minnesota. This year I bought a case of 0/20 for the winter, hoping it helps the frozen starts at work. Garage is insulated so no worries there, but cold start at work during winter results in piston slap and occasional rough idling. Truck has 36k on it. Oil filter is the larger P-boss, not the lawnmower sized one.