The competition's 10 speed

[crash68]

No wonder there is lawsuits against both manufacturers over this jointly designed 10 spd transmission:

Expert Warns Of Major Flaws In Ford And GM 10-Speed Transmissions

A transmission expert highlights some serious safety issues and shared design flaws between Ford and GM 10-speed automatic transmissions.

www.dieselarmy.com

As much as people whine about the shift knobs in the Ram trucks, the shift by wire is not going away.

 

[nlambert182]

I'll tell you... if you've ever been bitten by one of those 10 speeds you'll never own another. I despise those things with a fiery passion. I've owned one, and it cost me $14k. Not to fix it, but to walk away from it. Nobody at 2 dealerships could fix it and Ford just kept shrugging their shoulders saying they were still redesigning some of the internals to try and fix the issues. Probably the closest I've ever came to trying to sue a manufacturer.

 

[BossHogg]

Don't forget about the Duramax's engine oil cooler failing, which floods the engine's cooling system with engine oil.

There are a ton of YouTube videos of frustrated owners complaining about the 10-speed and the dealer's inability to fix it.

 

[tjfdesmo]

I came within a whisker of a '24 Duramax, but cancelled my order. Boy, am I glad I stuck with Cummins/Aisin. I am a little green with envy of the ZF Powerline, though.

 

[ramffml]

Don't forget about the Duramax's engine oil cooler failing, which floods the engine's cooling system with engine oil.

The ram has a similar problem, something to do with the oil cooler and oil getting into the coolant (or the other way around).

 

[Docwagon1776]

The ram has a similar problem, something to do with the oil cooler and oil getting into the coolant (or the other way around).

Police package Durango was so bad about it at least one of the state police agencies sued over it after a big chunk of their fleet was down at the same time due to milkshake motor syndrome.

 

[HemiLonestar]

I have never heard anyone say anything good about that trans.

 

[MrBonez]

I can't understand why a pickup needs the same, if not more gears than some 18 wheelers have.
I know that because I've driven them and the one I was in had a 9 speed Road Ranger in it, whether it's auto or manual doesn't make alot of difference when it comes down to it.

You add complexity, you add potential for problems and such a trans in a vehicle the size of a standard pickup has all that stuffed into a small package (trans case) for so many gears.
With all the electronics/complexity these 10 speeds have it's no suprise they are having so many issues in the first place.

I guess the engineers decided to simplify things for better reliability.... And in the case of a Ram they gave us "The knob" without 1st or 2nd gear selections.

Hey - That'll do it!

 

[crash68]

I can't understand why a pickup needs the same, if not more gears than some 18 wheelers have.

Bragging rights: most HP, most torque, most gears, etc.

Several years back while working at a R&D facility for the designer of the transmissions in the Ram trucks. The story goes that Ford approached them wanting a 10 spd, and received the response that the extra gears don't compensate for the added complexity, weight and efficiency. That when Ford went to GM with the joint venture idea for the 10 spd.

 

[MrBonez]

Bragging rights: most HP, most torque, most gears, etc.

Several years back while working at a R&D facility for the designer of the transmissions in the Ram trucks. The story goes that Ford approached them wanting a 10 spd, and received the response that the extra gears don't compensate for the added complexity, weight and efficiency. That when Ford went to GM with the joint venture idea for the 10 spd.

They certainly outdid themselves on the number of problems it created.
The record speaks for itself and it's nothing to brag about.

 

[ramffml]

Toyota has a 10 speed as well, built by Aisin I believe, and I don't hear anything bad about it. Maybe it's just because they don't sell in nearly the same numbers as Ford + GM, but we did hear about their issues with their engines so it can't all be about the number being sold.

Personally I'm a huge fan of the ZF 8 speed and could never go back down to 6 or less. As long as they can make it reliable, the advantages when it comes to towing and performance and mpg are well worth it IMHO. Especially towing, it completely changes the experience, just light bumps in RPMs when climbing hills instead of large jumps.

So I'm not so sure the transmission issues are strictly due to the amount of gears in them. FCA couldn't build a 5 or 6 speed to save their life and the ZF 8 speed is 100 times better, so it seems to come down to design and implementation.

 

[grizzstang]

I guy I know is a die hard Ford fan. He had an F150 ,Mustang and his wife also drives a Ford SUV of some kind (I haven't seen it).

After his 10 speed had to be replaced for a second time in his new F150 he showed up in a new GM truck.

I didn't have the heart to tell him the 10 speed trans sucks in those too.

 

[turkeybird56]

I guy I know is a die hard Ford fan. He had an F150 ,Mustang and his wife also drives a Ford SUV of some kind (I haven't seen it).

After his 10 speed had to be replaced for a second time in his new F150 he showed up in a new GM truck.

I didn't have the heart to tell him the 10 speed trans sucks in those too.

GM allegedly tweaked the computer stuff on their 10’s so allegedly better but yet 5.3/6.2 motors likes to puke parts. Heck, some of those "fantastic" motors dying with under 10 miles on Odometer.

Put away for me I can’t see driving down the road in my pretty F150 pick up at 5060 $70,000 and the transmission decides to do its own thing and go from 10th gear down to first gear at Highway speed.

That’s just a pucker factor I don’t wanna ever have to endure

 

[Docwagon1776]

I guy I know is a die hard Ford fan. He had an F150 ,Mustang and his wife also drives a Ford SUV of some kind (I haven't seen it).

After his 10 speed had to be replaced for a second time in his new F150 he showed up in a new GM truck.

I didn't have the heart to tell him the 10 speed trans sucks in those too.

I test drove both back to back a few years ago. The GM one was better to me. I know it's mostly the same, but the programming seemed better.

 

[BossHogg]

Bragging rights: most HP, most torque, most gears, etc.

Bragging rights should be about reliability.

I'm amazed every time I see one of those big old 50,000-plus-pound class A motor coaches pulling a toad down America's highways, knowing the engine is likely a Cummins ISX coupled to an Allison 6-speed transmission.

 

[Fatbob Frank]

My brother in law is a diehard Chevy guy and always gave me grief over buying Dodge ( Ram) trucks cause "they all have bad transmissions"...( Even though I never had a single problem with any of mine)
Now his son went to work for a Ford dealer so he just ordered a brand new F350 Powerstroke from him for quite a bit of $$$...
Hope the tranny don't bite him in the ass cause I just know I'll have to rub it in...

 

[crash68]

FCA couldn't build a 5 or 6 speed to save their life and the ZF 8 speed is 100 times better, so it seems to come down to design and implementation.

Part of the difference is who actually is developing the transmission, the RFE transmissions were developed in house. Where as the ZF transmissions are developed by another company who sells their products to lots of manufacturers. FCA licenses the design from ZF.
ZF is a global drivetrain specialist, so it's in their best interest to make the product reliable so their customers keep coming back.

 

[Docwagon1776]

Hope the tranny don't bite him in the ass cause I just know I'll have to rub it in...

Fun out of context sentence.

 

[Fatbob Frank]

Fun out of context sentence.

LOL....grow up...

 

[Docwagon1776]

LOL....grow up...

I tried that. Most overrated thing I ever did...