Vortec Supercharger

[charonblk07]

A CDS is definitely not without issues, but the benefits are worth it to me. But there's also the cool factor. Nobody has ever done a gear driven blower on a Jeep. Especially one that's going to remain street legal. Alston, HHP, and RMCR at first told me no way the accessories would still work. I disagreed and we worked it out. I could tell by eyeballin' it that it would work. Just the AC comp that's still being worked out. Not sure we can get enough wrap on the power steering pump. I also didn't want the bellmouth sticking through my bumper. As you can see from the pic, that was resolved too. So it's coming together...slowly...



The previous build was running a custom in basket dual Walbro 255 setup RMCR came up with, and 80# Siemens injectors, and Aeroquip rails. The new build will be a Fore hat with 3 Bosch 450s, 1500 cc injectors, return system, with regulator, rails, etc..







Cool! I got 20 psi out of my V-2, but the 6 rib serp couldn't handle it. At 6k it would shred every time. So I had to back it back down to ~16. The Vortech side of things worked fine though. Since the new build was about to happen, there wasn't any point in going to a 50mm cog setup, but otherwise that would've happened. The V-2 still had plenty more in it.



I vote for the F-1X. That's a really nice blower! The quickest GenIII on the planet is running that one. Rob Goss's Drag Pack.



Rob's build



I worked with Bill at Paramount Performance on a tranny. Already had his built NAG1. Couldn't hurt it, but it's only good for ~1000 hp. I first thought 4L80E, or maybe some TH400 variant. Neither would've been plug and play though, and Bill had already tried prototyping each for his Jeep. An 8.0 second monster and quickest Jeep on the planet, so far. LOL! Anyways he didn't think either would hold up to Pigzilla's power. But he had taken his built NAG1 and made it even stronger. TH400 input shaft, customized converter, clutches, etc.. But it's gonna break too. I know that going in. Big power means things break. But Bill believes it'll hold up better to my abuse than the other two.



Bill's Jeep



Anxious to see what you do with your rig. You may do your own engine. Wish I could still work on my stuff... But if not I highly recommend a HHP/BES Hemi. Both Rob and I have the same internals, but he went for a little stroke. But nobody builds a Hemi like Tony Bischoff. He's won the Engine Masters Challenge something like 7 or 8 times now. Nobody can touch him. And I know why. My engine just keeps begging for more and more. After seeng what Rob's engine did, Bruce at HHP told me I could throw whatever I wanted at it. So I am.



Sorry for being long winded, but I'm somewhat obsessed with this stuff.



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I've worked with HHP on my last truck, there are only a few shops I trust these days and the guys at HHP are among them, my new engine will be from BES, Arrington, or MMX. All good shops that I've worked with in the past. Being in Canada I don't have the luxury of a multitude of shops which is why I do my own work for the most part. I've seen plenty of Bill's runs on YouTube, it makes me both happy and sad when I see that thing pull the front up on his launches.


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I've worked with HHP on my last truck, there are only a few shops I trust these days and the guys at HHP are among them, my new engine will be from BES, Arrington, or MMX. All good shops that I've worked with in the past. Being in Canada I don't have the luxury of a multitude of shops which is why I do my own work for the most part. I've seen plenty of Bill's runs on YouTube, it makes me both happy and sad when I see that thing pull the front up on his launches.

Bill got rid of his Jeep. Now he's building a tube chassis rig with a Grand Cherokee body on top. Lifting the front is one of my fears with the new build. It's just too much weight to get air. Gonna likely damage stuff when it crashes back down. Air dam for sure.

Don't know MMX, but personally I wouldn't let Arrington put air in my tires. Seen too many of their hack jobs fail. Seems every once in a while they have a success, but from what I've seen, that's the exception. But I'm talking about those that push their rigs. Can't speak for their DD builds. HHP is the exclusive dealer for BES Hemis. But Bruce Maichle is as knowledgeable as they come when it comes to these engines. If I had to do it again, and money wasn't an issue, I'd get another BES. But that's me. When something proves itself I tend to stick with it.

Didn't know you were from the Great White North. Ontario? I used to do all my wrenching as well. But haven't been physically able to do more than little things for a long time. Sucks, but at least I found a shop and techs I can trust.

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[RamSlammer]

Wow. you guys talking way over my head on the boost side. I think I have gotten way over my head with the supercharger. Think I may sell it and stick with a rear mount Turbo. Like the other guy said I dont have real deep pockets and am only willing to put so much effort into it. This question is for Wink. Do you think the procharger bracket can be modified to fit the Vortec. I am only after 8-10 lbs boost max or 100-125 hp. If not do you know any one who would want my V2

 

[wink]

Wow. you guys talking way over my head on the boost side. I think I have gotten way over my head with the supercharger. Think I may sell it and stick with a rear mount Turbo. Like the other guy said I dont have real deep pockets and am only willing to put so much effort into it. This question is for Wink. Do you think the procharger bracket can be modified to fit the Vortec. I am only after 8-10 lbs boost max or 100-125 hp. If not do you know any one who would want my V2

Haven't seen one up against the other so I have no idea. I'm going down to RMCR tomorrow to check on my Jeep. Let me pick Michael's brain, he's the expert. Let's see what he suggests. Maybe if they aren't too swamped we can get some measurements on my Ram. No promises as it's gonna be a surprise request. It would help to know exactly which V-2 you have. Post a pic of the info plate on the head unit.

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[gonzo1968]

Wow. you guys talking way over my head on the boost side. I think I have gotten way over my head with the supercharger. Think I may sell it and stick with a rear mount Turbo. Like the other guy said I dont have real deep pockets and am only willing to put so much effort into it. This question is for Wink. Do you think the procharger bracket can be modified to fit the Vortec. I am only after 8-10 lbs boost max or 100-125 hp. If not do you know any one who would want my V2

I am also thinking of a rear mounted turbo. Could you keep me posted on your build?

 

[Burla]

Don't have this guy build your bracket, rumor is they built the bracket first then have to make a custom super charger to fit it.

 

[RamSlammer]

would love to if i knew how. i am a computer idiot. Barely able to send emails. LOL Never even turned one on till about 3 yrs ago

 

[wink]

Just got back from The Springs. Asked Zack about the Procharger bracket. He said no way. They are completely different from the Vortechs. However I had him look at my truck, just looked, no measurements. But he said it looks just like the Challenger 5.7 setup. Vortech does make brackets for them. No guarantee without measurements, but that might be the cheapest easiest way to get your build going if it fits.

I'd really steer clear of a turbo on a pickup. Especially if you plan to tow or haul stuff. They'll work, but the power delivery will be less than optimal for the task. A blower would be better, and a twin screw would be the best match. Just something to think about.

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[wink]

would love to if i knew how. i am a computer idiot. Barely able to send emails. LOL Never even turned one on till about 3 yrs ago

All you need is the serial #. Vortech can tell you all about it from that. The key thing, is it clockwise or counter-clockwise rotation. It will dictate how it is mounted, either facing forward or backwards.

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[RamSlammer]

I was wondering about the mounting bracket they make for the car version. Thought it might be the same as far as how it mounts to the engine but thought it might be different as far as direction because of engine bay restrictions in the car versus the truck. If all the accessories and belt routings are the same then I don't see why it wouldn't work. Lot more room under the hood of the truck

 

[RamSlammer]

Yes i agree. Turbo not good for towing heavy loads. That is why I bought the supercharger in the first place. Don't know half of what you know but I think every one knows supercharger is better for torque. That would be the answer to my canundrum. LOL Sure hope this will work

 

[GIJoe2010]

Re-subscribed for info on the Challenger setup on a Ram

 

[wink]

I was wondering about the mounting bracket they make for the car version. Thought it might be the same as far as how it mounts to the engine but thought it might be different as far as direction because of engine bay restrictions in the car versus the truck. If all the accessories and belt routings are the same then I don't see why it wouldn't work. Lot more room under the hood of the truck

Looks like there's plenty of room on the driver side, where the Challenger kit mounts it. Not sure if the whole kit would work though. The a/c lines on mine running across between the radiator and engine might be an issue. That's where the hoses on the kit run across from the head unit to the aftercooler. Maybe the hoses could run under the lines. Or might have to wing it on the aftercooler location. Like behind the head unit on the driver side and source your own hoses. The one big issue I see from the pictures is the kit appears to use a counter-clockwise head unit. I'd try calling Michael again. He was there yesterday, but didn't get a chance to discuss it with him.

Here's a link to the Challenger install manual with the full parts list and pictures.

Install Manual

Which does your head unit look like?

Clockwise:


Counter-clockwise:


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[wink]

Yes i agree. Turbo not good for towing heavy loads. That is why I bought the supercharger in the first place. Don't know half of what you know but I think every one knows supercharger is better for torque. That would be the answer to my canundrum. LOL Sure hope this will work

Not trying to insult anyone. Just pass along info for anyone that might not know.

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[RamSlammer]

No fear of insult. You appear to be dedicated to perfection. That is definatley a good thing. Any info or suggestions you can make or provide is greatly appreciated. I have always had a fear of false info when it comes to engines and performance. So many of the people on some of these sites are want to be know it alls. I really appreciate it when i find someone who is truly knowledgeable.
That beeing said My V2 is a clockwise charger. By my way of thinking that means it would have to be moved to the other side or mounted backwards if the brackets are made for a counterclockwise charger or do they provide a bracket for a clockwise charger. Bla Bla Bla so many questions. That is why I love old cars with old engines and lots of room under the hood. LOL To much STUFF under the hood these days

 

[GIJoe2010]

With our 1500s, there is a ****-ton of room on the passenger side of the bay once you remove the stock airbox. I think that's the reason ProCharger is setup as such.

 

[charonblk07]

With our 1500s, there is a ****-ton of room on the passenger side of the bay once you remove the stock airbox. I think that's the reason ProCharger is setup as such.

Fuse box, power steering pump (if '09-'12), steering shaft, and vacuum booster are all on that side, there's nowhere to really bolt to either since the alternator sits so high. The passenger side has plenty of bolt locations on the head and block. It's why I used the passenger side for my cog drive system. If it's a '13+ with the electric power steering then you have those 3 bolt holes available to use but the packaging is tight on that side.

 

[GIJoe2010]

My bad, I was referring to my 2014 1500 (13+ models) that have all the room on the passenger side.

 

[wink]

No fear of insult. You appear to be dedicated to perfection. That is definatley a good thing. Any info or suggestions you can make or provide is greatly appreciated. I have always had a fear of false info when it comes to engines and performance. So many of the people on some of these sites are want to be know it alls. I really appreciate it when i find someone who is truly knowledgeable.
That beeing said My V2 is a clockwise charger. By my way of thinking that means it would have to be moved to the other side or mounted backwards if the brackets are made for a counterclockwise charger or do they provide a bracket for a clockwise charger. Bla Bla Bla so many questions. That is why I love old cars with old engines and lots of room under the hood. LOL To much STUFF under the hood these days

No worries! Thanks for the vote of confidence, but all I know about blowers came from watching and listening to the guys at RMCR. Yeah there is a lot of misinformation on the internet, so I always ask Michael about stuff that doesn't sound right.

I'm pretty sure Michael told me I'd have to mount mine backwards in the Ram because it's CCW. But if yours is CW, all it would need is a bracket, like the YSi, instead of that Vortech jackshaft mess the Jeeps and LX cars use. You might need to re-clock the volute to get the discharge chute where you want it. Not a big deal, just have to be careful of the o-ring in the case. Let me confirm all this stuff with Michael once they're back in the shop.

I agree about the old cars. You could damn near crawl in the engine compartment to get at things. And if you dropped something, it would probably hit the floor, instead of disappearing into who knows where. Here's an amusing anecdote. I dropped a 10mm wrench one day in the Jeep. I searched and searched. Never found it and wrote it off. Well I was in an accident a few years back and it pretty much destroyed the front bumper. I was walking around looking at the damage, and lo and behold, there was my wrench on the ground. LOL!

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[wink]

Just talked to Michael about blowers and Rams. He said clockwise blowers would have to be mounted facing backwards, and you can't use the Challenger kit. Now we're assuming the input shaft on the V-2 you have spins clockwise. Most do, but he said they do make both. You need to call Vortech, give them your serial # and find out exactly which unit you have. They make so many blowers, but unless it came from an odd install, it probably turns CW, and the impeller spins CW. Either they or someone else would have to make a bracket. No performance difference, just aesthetics. So I had it backwards. That's why I always go to the experts to confirm! You might also have to re-clock the volute to get the discharge chute where you want/need it. That just means unbolting it and spinning it around. Be careful of the o-ring though!

He's got my mind changed on what I'll probably do though. I always planned on selling my V-2 as a complete Jeep kit. That hasn't changed. But if I sell it I'll likely be putting an Edelbrock E-Force twin screw on it. Just makes the most sense for a pickup. And I'm not planning on turning it into another drag vehicle, otherwise a centrifugal would make more sense, and power.

Hope that helps!

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