Well done Ram! Rumble Bee on the way.

[ramffml]

When I was doing my research on V8s, when I was focusing on GMC, a video I watch pointed out the summation of my conclusions.

GMC (Corvette vs the Trucks) is somehow now making the best and the worst V8s in industry history.

Sarcasm is not necessary. If I had bought a V8, I'm sure I would be just as defensive.

GM's failures are not the same as Hemi failures. As pointed out, the non MDS equipped hemis have failed too.

As have the pentastar, its also somewhat common for it to experience cam/lifter failures like the hemi, so keep half an eye on your own wheels

 

[Burla]

The car can shut itself off based on something you do, so what happens when the system breaks? That is the main reason people don't want the kill switch. It can literally kill you because it's broken. My wife lost power on the freeway bad alt, literally can kill you so scary. Plus what if it shuts your car off in a snow storm? Having your car with the ability to decide your drunk is just nanny state gone wrong. But regardless, unless this anti legislation goes through, it will be in every vehicle. So it really isn't relevant in ram versus any other vehicle, but what is relevant is the e torque mandate, so when you add all of this junk tech and costs you money and you don't want, it's an issue. But in this case, it is an argument for the rumble bee not against, as it will be the only base hemi ram 1500 without that frk'n garbage.

By the way, law enforcement can already kill your vehicle in a chase using existing software.

 

[ramffml]

Personally I think putting the 5.7 in this is a serious mistake, it waters down the TRX look. In the past when there was only the TRX, you saw that thing coming down the road and you knew it was the baddest and fastest, the apex predator.

Then they added the RHO. Same looks, crappier engine. OK it's still quite fast so give it a pass.

Now they're adding the 6.4, and the 5.7. The whole image is collapsing, anybody can get that look with a cheap/slow truck. I love my 5.7 but it's not built for performance and domination, it's an entry level v8.

Even the 6.4... guess it depends on the 0 to 60, but that one makes more sense than the 5.7 which isn't even breaking into 5 second territory.

I just don't understand what they're doing these days.

 

[HemiLonestar]

When I was doing my research on V8s, when I was focusing on GMC, a video I watch pointed out the summation of my conclusions.

GMC (Corvette vs the Trucks) is somehow now making the best and the worst V8s in industry history.

Sarcasm is not necessary. If I had bought a V8, I'm sure I would be just as defensive.

Sarcasm is ALWAYS necessary, especially when dealing with.....anyway. Who's defensive? You literally screenshot some BS about "mDs Is ThE cUlPrIt"
Besides crappy cam cores (which affects all of them), you know what also affects all of them? Crappy lifters, be it MDS or not:

 

[mikeru]

When I was doing my research on V8s, when I was focusing on GMC, a video I watch pointed out the summation of my conclusions.

GMC (Corvette vs the Trucks) is somehow now making the best and the worst V8s in industry history.

Sarcasm is not necessary. If I had bought a V8, I'm sure I would be just as defensive.

GM’s AFM is not the same technology as Mopar’s MDS. So your research is incomplete if you were focusing on AFM. Lots of people think MDS is one of the main contributors of cam/lifter failures, but they’d be wrong based on research many of us here have done.

While you’re researching cam/lifter failures don’t limit your focus only on the Hemi. There have also been plenty of cam/liufter failures with the Pentastar too. Just look at a couple jeep forums.

 

[Docwagon1776]

No, the legislation does not currently allow LEO to disable new vehicles but I'd like to introduce you to a slippery slope....

Truth still matters. Saying something exists, getting called out on it, and then saying "but it could eventually" undermines your argument (general you, not specifically you). The truth is bad enough and, IMO, worse. If a human is using a device to disable your car, there is oversight and accountability. What do you do when your own car decides you're not fit to drive and stops you? Who are you going to sue? The maker? Lol, nope, they'll have the little lawyer screen like they have on the touchscreens now.

There's plenty to argue against without confusing the issue with misinformation.

 

[Docwagon1776]

When I was doing my research on V8s, when I was focusing on GMC, a video I watch pointed out the summation of my conclusions.

GMC (Corvette vs the Trucks) is somehow now making the best and the worst V8s in industry history.

Sarcasm is not necessary. If I had bought a V8, I'm sure I would be just as defensive.

You're kind of doubling down on being wrong here. Like I said in the last post, the truth matters. Nobody is "defensive" when pointing out MDS lifters fail at the same rate as non-MDS lifters and hemis without MDS at have lifter failures. Kind of makes you think its an issue with the cam and lifters interacting more than MDS, right?

Pentastars eat cams as well, just for different reasons.

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

Sadly, the participants of this world we now occupy, can't stand it when there are things they cannot control, especially those who run the Mothership.
The kill switch is so a LEO can shut you down in a chase, purportedly. I just wonder, How much of the overall, nationwide traffic stop industry involves a chase? 1%? 2%? yeah! But let's treat all drivers like they're criminals! That'll do the trick! Throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Oh, sure, I've seen the videos that garner horrification of chases where a bad crash happens.
In addition to the kill switch, the "Nannies" of the world have brought it to pass that passive alcohol sensors now can result in the vehicle being disabled and LEO. So what if you have perfume or aftershave on! Whast if you're the designated driver and you load up 3 drunks in the car? Hmm?

I LIKE my freedom! I CHERISH that they can't make these decisions FOR me. But, then, I AM law abiding and don't give Officer Friendly a reason to chase me OR do a field sobriety check!

Benjamin Franklin said it oh so eloquently: "He who will give up freedom for comfort deserves neither".

In a nutshell, I wonder just how huge the demand will get for older model cars/trucks where a driver can make his/her own decisions. There! Rant over!

I'm glad they put the 392 and the 6.2 in the 1500, it will make swaps easier Long term.

I even think about how much easier it will be to eventually swap the 5th gen console and shifter into an old "knob" truck.

Not everything has to be transplanted when swaping a new drive train into and older truck.

Think of the possibility. And of course the availability of parts

 

[DILLIGAF]

Making a peasant version with the 5.7 is retarded. You know all those glue bags will put the 6.4L badges on them .

 

[Burla]

Personally I think putting the 5.7 in this is a serious mistake, it waters down the TRX look. In the past when there was only the TRX, you saw that thing coming down the road and you knew it was the baddest and fastest, the apex predator.

Then they added the RHO. Same looks, crappier engine. OK it's still quite fast so give it a pass.

Now they're adding the 6.4, and the 5.7. The whole image is collapsing, anybody can get that look with a cheap/slow truck. I love my 5.7 but it's not built for performance and domination, it's an entry level v8.

Even the 6.4... guess it depends on the 0 to 60, but that one makes more sense than the 5.7 which isn't even breaking into 5 second territory.

I just don't understand what they're doing these days.

Maybe it will be different color for each level, so traditional yellow will be the highest levell..

 

[mikeru]

Making a peasant version with the 5.7 is retarded. You know all those glue bags will put the 6.4L badges on them .

I disagree. I don’t see any issue with more choices. I say the more choices there are the better. Not everyone wants or needs the extra horsepower of the top two engine choices, but plenty of people like how the widebody Ram (TRX/RHO) 1500 looks. I’d include myself in that category. Look at how many people opt for the Pentastar V6. I think it depends on how it will be used. If I was planning to daily it I’d rather not have to pay to fuel that Hellcat engine lol.

As far as badging goes, who cares? I’m not one to do that but I really couldn’t care less about how people want to decorate their own truck.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Pentcrap and 5.7 are literally the worst 2 engine that is made by dodge ATM. and everyone that bought that V6 1500 learned real quick is wasnt any better on gas...lol...

My 1946 Flathead is harder on gas then my Cammed HEMI... lol... Men dont concern themselves with fuel milage in a truck unless they pee sitting down.

 

[Tray Burge]

I just shake my head when I hear people ask what kind of gas mileage do these trucks get?
-Go look at a Toyota for Pete's sake.

 

[ramffml]

Pentcrap and 5.7 are literally the worst 2 engine that is made by dodge ATM. and everyone that bought that V6 1500 learned real quick is wasnt any better on gas...lol...

I mostly disagree. Both engines spent a fair amount of time on Wards 10 best engines, several years in a row.

They are not without flaws, like almost any engine. But they have sold in the "many millions" and that means any little flaw gets amplified just due to sheer scale. When you sell 10 million copies of something, a 1% flaw means 100,000 failures.

Look at the 5.7. It came out over 20 years ago, and it's still competitive today with far newer engines.

I don't have a problem with both engines being used in the 1500's, they serve a purpose and many buyers are happy with them. The real problem is that Ram did not offer a higher performance engine in the 1500's that was attainable by the working masses (so TRX doesn't count). The 5.7 had to be compared against the 3.5 eco boost, the 6.2, even the 5.0 and was found to be just competitive (5.0) or lacking. If they had offered the 6.4 from the start, it would have taken the pressure off the 5.7 and everyone would just view it like we do the 5.3, a no nonsense, base/entry level v8.

My 1946 Flathead is harder on gas then my Cammed HEMI... lol... Men dont concern themselves with fuel milage in a truck unless they pee sitting down.

Real men don't concern themselves with how other men pee.

 

[HemiLonestar]

"tHeY sHoUlDn'T iNcLuDe ThE 5.7"...........apparently forgetting the original Rumble Bee was powered with.........a 5.7

I may have missed it, but I hope they're available in RWD. I have no need or desire for a 4x4.

You do at launch, especially with the 6.2 lol.

Maybe it will be different color for each level, so traditional yellow will be the highest levell..

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Thankfully they aren't color locked; I absolutely do not want a yellow one just because "bee" is in it's name.

 

[Sherman Bird]

I get tickled at my customer who owns the 2006 GMC Sierra 4-door crew/5.3L engine/2WD.
Every time he brings the truck in for his post long-distance trip oil change, he goes on about what fuel mileage numbers he got!
I always remind him about how big, heavy, and non-aerodynamic it is. He always sort of sheepishly accedes to those facts, but laments that better mileage would be desirable! I tell him that a sure fire way to get better mileage is to drive at or just below 60 MPH... to which he announces no such intent!
BTW, this truck has no VVT OR cylinder deactivation. Those came about in 2007.

 

[Mojo88]

Can you 'build' a Rumble Bee on their web site yet??

 

[ramffml]

"tHeY sHoUlDn'T iNcLuDe ThE 5.7"...........apparently forgetting the original Rumble Bee was powered with.........a 5.7

It doesn't matter what they did 20 years ago. Putting the 5.7 in this is laughable. You're going to pull up beside any other half ton and either not get anywhere or worse, see his tailights over the super special hood on your super special bumble bee.

I guess if you like to look good coming in last, this is the truck for you.

0 to 60 in 6.1 lol

 

[HemiLonestar]

Can you 'build' a Rumble Bee on their web site yet??

No, they haven't switched to 2027MY yet.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/ram-1500-rumble-bee.html

 

[Docwagon1776]

It doesn't matter what they did 20 years ago. Putting the 5.7 in this is laughable. You're going to pull up beside any other half ton and either not get anywhere or worse, see his tailights over the super special hood on your super special bumble bee.

I guess if you like to look good coming in last, this is the truck for you.

0 to 60 in 6.1 lol

Guys cried about no availability of a no etorque/no stop start hemi. Ram gives us that option. Guys cry it's not cool because they also gave us the 6.4L in a half ton guys were crying for and a street version of the TRX guys were crying for.

My guy, if you want the fastest truck get a HO Hurricane and forget the N/A Hemi all together. If you want old school cool, you just got offered it in three flavors.

I swear some of you would ***** about a goose that laid gold eggs because the eggs were hard to stack.