Will Ram use the Titan v8?

[mikeru]

Yes, Ford has addressed a lot of those by now but it wasn't an easy road and these engines are still fairly new in comparison to the naturally aspirated V6/V8 engines of your favorite flavor. They are unforgiving with maintenance intervals though, so if you intend to run one be militant with it. The old V8s are much more forgiving.

My take away from this statement is that you can be lazy with a V8

I'm militant with the maintenance on any vehicle I own, no matter how forgiving they may be. I'm an Audi owner after all.

 

[nlambert182]

Not too lazy with the MDS/AFM mess, but some folks might be able to slightly stretch an oil change or two and get away with it. Absolutely aren't gonna do that with these turbo 6's.

I am as well, though I don't really have to be I suppose. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Unless you own a "insert your German brand of choice here"... at which point being militant just keeps the wheels turning.

< former Audi owner.

 

[Dusty]

Not necessarily.... SOME tooling may still exist and a couple of lines may exist with it, but it doesn't mean they didn't convert some number of assembly lines and the associated tooling to the Hurricane if they anticipate demand for that engine to increase while demand for the 5.7 Hemi to decrease. It's a simple supply/demand issue where they will find the equilibrium.

A production line is expensive to sit idle and not operate at 100% capacity. If the 5.7 is either going away or slowing down production they will have to fill that with something else to keep it operating. So that would either mean convert it to a 6.4 line or convert it to the Hurricane. That decision would yet again, depend on supply/demand.

We are talking about an engine, not a whole vehicle that requires fabrications, subassemblies and stampings.

Since both the 5.7 and Hurricane were in production at the same time, I would bet all of the tooling is still around. Auto manufacturers tend to keep tooling around for quite a few years, even if they have plans to sell the tooling to the aftermarket. Tooling doesn't disappear overnight just because somethings out of production.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 122674 miles.

 

[nlambert182]

Have you ever worked in or managed a production plant? Every facet of a production facility is scrutinized to save on cost. Down to how nuts and bolts are stored and whether it's cost effective to use a paper traveler versus setting up computer monitors to track progress.

Whether both engines were in production at the same time is irrelevant to today. Hurricane lines could have been ramping up while Hemi lines ramp down. The two can happen in parallel. As you bring one offline, I guarantee they made decisions on what to keep and what to flip. You just can't shut a line down and let it idle. For every hour a line is down is lost revenue and an increased overhead cost.

 

[Dusty]

Have you ever worked in or managed a production plant? Every facet of a production facility is scrutinized to save on cost. Down to how nuts and bolts are stored and whether it's cost effective to use a paper traveler versus setting up computer monitors to track progress.

Whether both engines were in production at the same time is irrelevant to today. Hurricane lines could have been ramping up while Hemi lines ramp down. The two can happen in parallel. As you bring one offline, I guarantee they made decisions on what to keep and what to flip. You just can't shut a line down and let it idle. For every hour a line is down is lost revenue and an increased overhead cost.

I've worked in manufacturing environments and in fact I attended GM engine school at Tonawanda, NY, which made engines. In automotive service modern production machines can handle multiple configurations on the same line at the same time.

All I'm saying is that it is pure assumption that some or part of the tooling no longer exists and that a manufacturer couldn't put an engine back into production if needed, even if a machine incompatibility exists.

Beyond that this subject is in search of the last word.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 122674 miles.

 

[DanAR]

Yeah, something still seems off on the tooling issue. The 5.7 and 6.2 are supposed to be out of production but the 6.4 is still made. The 6.2 and 6.4 have the same bore so it would seem they would share the same basic block tooling/ machining. Stellantis is supposed to be offering a limited run of Hellcat engined models which use the 6.2 block so it makes sense they have no trouble making them. The 5.7 block has a smaller bore but is the block otherwise different? With modern CNC machining the boring change over should be relatively simple. And while I assume the blocks are pretty much the same raw casting between the 3, even if not I suspect most foundry/casting work is by outside suppliers and I doubt they got rid of their molds, some or all of which are still in use for the 6.2/6.4. Purchase orders for various pistons, cams, etc would have to be resurrected.

But it’s all just supposition and I doubt you could even get an honest answer out of Stellantis.

Edit: It may be a bad assumption they outsource engine casting. Is the Kokomo plant wholly owned by Stellantis as a subsidiary?

 

[Dusty]

Yeah, something still seems off on the tooling issue. The 5.7 and 6.2 are supposed to be out of production but the 6.4 is still made. The 6.2 and 6.4 have the same bore so it would seem they would share the same basic block tooling/ machining. Stellantis is supposed to be offering a limited run of Hellcat engined models which use the 6.2 block so it makes sense they have no trouble making them. The 5.7 block has a smaller bore but is the block otherwise different? With modern CNC machining the boring change over should be relatively simple. And while I assume the blocks are pretty much the same raw casting between the 3, even if not I suspect most foundry/casting work is by outside suppliers and I doubt they got rid of their molds, some or all of which are still in use for the 6.2/6.4. Purchase orders for various pistons, cams, etc would have to be resurrected.

But it’s all just supposition and I doubt you could even get an honest answer out of Stellantis.

Edit: It may be a bad assumption they outsource engine casting. Is the Kokomo plant wholly owned by Stellantis as a subsidiary?

Kokomo is a complex of foundaries. They make castings for the 3.6 PentaStar and a couple of four cylinder engines, I believe. The 5.7 and 6.4 have been made in Mexico for some time, maybe since inception.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 123003 miles.

 

[Arsinek]

For a .5 ton truck, I like the idea of a simple gas v8.

If I need more power than that Id have to get a turbo diesel.

But the only thing I really want turbos on is a sports car.

 

[nlambert182]

The 5.7 has been produced in Mexico's Saltillo plant since 2002.

 

[Forsakentalon]

Don't get too excited about the titan V8. They did have a massive recall not long ago. Required replacing the short block. Something about matching was done wrong or an oil sprayer not installed. Result was scored piston wall. Many engines got scoped. Owners were without their trucks for months.

I was looking at buying a used Titan then found this to be a huge potential problem as some people ignored the recall and just kept driving.

 

[nlambert182]

Don't get too excited about the titan V8. They did have a massive recall not long ago. Required replacing the short block. Something about matching was done wrong or an oil sprayer not installed. Result was scored piston wall. Many engines got scoped. Owners were without their trucks for months.

I was looking at buying a used Titan then found this to be a huge potential problem as some people ignored the recall and just kept driving.

Must've only affected 22+ models. I have a 21 model Armada with the 5.6 and it's had no such recall. Runs perfect.

Either way, ALL brands have had recalls and lots of them. More importantly is if the manufacturer addressed it quickly and completely. The 5.6 platform is stout and always has been.

 

[David Roark]

Not sure why you quoted my post for this question, but my advice is to at a minimum follow the manufacturer's maintenance schedule. I'd cut the oil change interval to 5k miles but we only put about 5k miles on our Ram per year so it's still about once per year that I change the oil.

I don't know what would be involved in removing the etorque system if that's what you're asking. If that's not what you're asking then please clarify what you mean by "can I undo it?".

That is what I meant. Thanks

 

[DanAR]

Reading on another forum that Nissan is struggling and may only survive one more year before bankruptcy or having to be bought out. If so I’m suspicious that they are in a position to take on a special project to adapt and sell V8s to Stellantis. BUT - how much of what you read on the internet can you trust?

 

[mikeru]

Reading on another forum that Nissan is struggling and may only survive one more year before bankruptcy or having to be bought out. If so I’m suspicious that they are in a position to take on a special project to adapt and sell V8s to Stellantis. BUT - how much of what you read on the internet can you trust?

It's gotta be true if it's on the internet!