Grand Mesa
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If Ram took out all the seats the payload capacity would increase only by the weight of the seats removed, not by the weight of the driver and passengers who might have sat on them.
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crazy jerry
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you dont get 1340 payload and 5 passengers.
if you have 5 passengers at 268lb each, your payload is gone.
the sticker says : passengers AND cargo must never exceed 1340
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Payload is calculated by taking your GVWR on your door sticker and subtracting curb weight. That will give the payload that is on the yellow door sticker. No voodoo magic when coming up with payload numbers. Anything you add to the truck will take away from that payload (heavier tires/wheels, tonneau cover, toolbox, cup of coffee, etc).
I'd be surprised if you truly only have 660lbs tongue weight with that TT. Is that what is advertised? That is less than 10% so already not an ideal number. If that is advertised then you are probably closer to 800lbs. My son has a 2018 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK and dry weight was listed at 6600lbs. His tongue weight IIRC was advertised at 690lbs. We scaled it all loaded and it was actually 1100lbs. but he was loaded heavy. His TT weighed 8100lbs loaded up. His GVWR on that TT was about 8600lbs
I'd be surprised if you truly only have 660lbs tongue weight with that TT. Is that what is advertised? That is less than 10% so already not an ideal number. If that is advertised then you are probably closer to 800lbs. My son has a 2018 Grand Design Imagine 2670MK and dry weight was listed at 6600lbs. His tongue weight IIRC was advertised at 690lbs. We scaled it all loaded and it was actually 1100lbs. but he was loaded heavy. His TT weighed 8100lbs loaded up. His GVWR on that TT was about 8600lbs
Sorry, I re-read my post and realized how confusing it was and how ignorant I seemed. I realize the passengers are part of the payload.
What I meant was...due to the truck only having 5 seatbelts, do you think Ram or Mopar reduced the payload capability because you can't even legally put 6 people in this truck? What is different from one level 2 package power wagon and another that made them have a difference of 240 pounds of payload? The only difference I could tell is that one truck had a bench front seat and a 1560ish payload. The truck I saw today had a center console and 1324 payload. Where and what 240 pounds of equipment is on the truck I saw today that robbed the owner of potential payload capacity? I've asked the dealer for a curb weight of that exact truck referencing the VIN and waiting on him to get back to me.
What I meant was...due to the truck only having 5 seatbelts, do you think Ram or Mopar reduced the payload capability because you can't even legally put 6 people in this truck? What is different from one level 2 package power wagon and another that made them have a difference of 240 pounds of payload? The only difference I could tell is that one truck had a bench front seat and a 1560ish payload. The truck I saw today had a center console and 1324 payload. Where and what 240 pounds of equipment is on the truck I saw today that robbed the owner of potential payload capacity? I've asked the dealer for a curb weight of that exact truck referencing the VIN and waiting on him to get back to me.
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You can calculate the curb weight by taking the GVWR and subtracting the payload. This is how payload is calculated to get the info to put on that yellow sticker.
I know that too.
I guess I'm asking what if, whaaattt iiiiffff, I bought this truck that has a GVWR of 8565 and a payload of 1324 and then I take it onto a CAT scale myself. I get out of the truck and it's sitting there with nothing but the fuel and oil in it and it gives a scale weight of 7,000. So 7,000 +1342 = GVWR of 8342. OR 8565 - 7000 = payload of 1565. So is the GVWR on the sticker incorrect or the payload? Which is right? Can't go by paper specs anyway as you literally just insinuated that the paper spec on my trailer was incorrect when talking tongue weight. I'm not confused how any of this stuff is calculated, just wondering what to even believe.
My current truck was well within spec on paper to tow what my trailer says it weighs on paper. I got on a scale and proved it all to be well within the sticker numbers. I'd have to dig up the scale receipts but I remember my GVWR being about 85% with all 4 truck tires on scale and tongue weight plus family and coolers and dog all in truck. It feels like it is out of it's safe working limits though. To me, that's how if feels.
Only way for me to get a feel of the PW is to risk buying one and hope it feels good I guess.
I was camping this last weekend and sure enough got to talking to a guy there who had done all the research and calculating. Bought a camper to fit a truck he wanted, made sure the truck could pull said camper as he decided that's what he wanted. When he married the F-150 to the 28' camper he soon realized that the paper specs were all crap. It squatted and moaned and groaned the whole time towing. F-150 was supposed to be able to pull 14k I think with payload close to 2 grand. Camper door sticker said 7800 weight. No clue what the tongue weight was but it squished that F-150 despite saying it could handle it.
olyelr
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Are we not talking about a power wagon here? The 75a is the first power wagon with a center council, and it is now an available option on the ‘22s but only in level 3 and i have not seen one for sale yet.
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Not a 75thA. You have to get to photo 9 and beyond to see the non-stock photos. Equip group 2. Bucket leather seats. Small screen.
And the stickers from that trucks door.
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there is a lot between the level 1 and level 2. leather adds weight, the passenger side seat has full adjustability which adds a motor, the sub woofer all those little things add up. sunroofs add a fair amount etc. every little lb adds up.
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Even though your door sticker says 1324 (or whatever that number is) in the end you can't be over your GVWR. The payload may change due to different tires, tools, etc, but the GVWR will not change. So if your GVWR is 9000 and you pull on the scale and your 2 truck axles weigh 8800lbs then you only have 200lbs left. That payload sticker is what it was off the assembly line. Anything added or subtracted later can change that.
As for the tongue weight, it isn't necessarily that the manufacturer was wrong when printing the sticker, it's that that is the dry weight. No batteries, I believe no awning or air conditioning either but can't say for sure. So the advertised tongue weight will always be less than actual unless you aren't properly balanced. You should be close to 12% tongue weight (10-15% is good). If your trailer weighs 8000 then you would ideally want at least 800lbs tongue weight and probably closer to 950-1000lbs. If you are that light on tongue weight that may be why you don't feel comfortable towing it (or that you feel it is out of it's safe working limits).
Grand Mesa
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Definitely 1324. That's not much.
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crazy jerry
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they must of just started putting on the payload sticker because my 17 doesnt have one but it doesnt matter because ive already weighed the truck at 7500lb with half tank fuel and a driver. gvwr is 8510 . so i have 1010lb that i could 'legally' carry, between passengers, gear, coffee, beer, motorcycles, whatever
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my 2020 weighs 6950lb full tank of gas nothing else in the truck but I do have Toyo 35's on AEV wheels and a dethloff skid plate so only way to really know is hit the scales. my payload is actually 1615lbs which is a little bit more than is on my sticker. the skid weighs at least 40lbs and the 5 Toyo 35's are at least 100lbs total heavier than stock tires as they are 74lbs apiece, wheels are about the same as stock.
What trim level and other options do you have? Leather seats? Ventilated seats? I’m m assuming a bench front seat.
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level 1 pretty much it from the factory.
olyelr
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My ‘16 has the exact same sticker with the payload number right on the door jam.
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Well folks, OP here.
I test drove a PW finally. It was a '19. Nice ride. It made what I thought were going to be small pounding bumps at high speed feel like a slight rolling rise on this side or that. Quite stable and smooth. But soft, maybe because it felt so tall. Not knocking anything about what the vehicle is built for. If I didn't own a camper with potential to upsize I'd be all over it.
I ended up ordering a 2500 with 6.4 HEMI, 3.73's, bucket seats, Laramie A group, 4x4 package with Bilsteins, trailer package, 220A alternator, clearance lights, white color with black night edition grill and badges. Gonna be a while waiting for it, but man am I happy!
I think I ordered THE perfect truck for me! Thanks for everyone's input.
I test drove a PW finally. It was a '19. Nice ride. It made what I thought were going to be small pounding bumps at high speed feel like a slight rolling rise on this side or that. Quite stable and smooth. But soft, maybe because it felt so tall. Not knocking anything about what the vehicle is built for. If I didn't own a camper with potential to upsize I'd be all over it.
I ended up ordering a 2500 with 6.4 HEMI, 3.73's, bucket seats, Laramie A group, 4x4 package with Bilsteins, trailer package, 220A alternator, clearance lights, white color with black night edition grill and badges. Gonna be a while waiting for it, but man am I happy!
I think I ordered THE perfect truck for me! Thanks for everyone's input.
olyelr
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Sounds like a nice pickup!
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