Blackstone - used oil analysis

[HEMIMANN]

Pretty soon we won't have oil to sample.

 

[Travis8352]

First analysis on my 5.7 hemi durango. Factory fill i ran for 972 miles. I am calling them tomorrow to see why i didnt get an oxidation value as i also did 3 VOAs specifically for oxidation since every single wearcheck analysis ive seen has oxidation and i specifically wrote that i wanted it.

Edit was blurry so tried again

 

[Burla]

What oil went back in?

 

[Travis8352]

What oil went back in?

I did a 1500 mile run with PUP 0w-20 which i have a sample of to send to OAI from the free sample kit i got for buying it and about 500 miles ago i changed that out for esp x2 0w-20 and ill see how the wear metals come down. Kinda wish i changed at 500 miles like i originally planned to. Young engine though ill look back at other young hemis and compare

 

[ramffml]

Here is my latest run. Not all that happy to see the little climb in iron, though it was a cold/hard winter. I only went back to P+ because I wanted to use up my remaining quarts but from now on it gets the PCMO 5w-30, it appears to like that thicker oil even at cold starts.

Green shades = best, orange = worst.

I only track iron + copper at per 1000 miles, the other wear metals don't really change.

Aluminum is "high" because its part of all HPL's virg|n oil.

Here is to another 7+ years of hemi ownership!

 

[Burla]

Hmm, can it be the 0w30? Probably not but I'd change to verify. Did you run it back? Now that isn't the SC but just their 0w30? Thoughts on your alum climbing up? Yes better with the 0w30 but still up historically on your uoa's, might hint why iron creeping up. Maybe rings issue? Not sure color code shows the story with 100k difference between samples and one still young engine.

Do you dose fuel and if so with what?

 

[06 Dodge]

News to me - even Mobil Corporate didn't teach us that.

Well if you listen to the progressive Mobil is evil lol.. BTW I'll wave Hi at ya when I make the right hand turn at Albert Lea on Sunday, Ill be on my way to Mason City Iowa area to look at a home to buy so I can get away from the kooks here in the Portland Oregon area...

 

[ramffml]

Hmm, can it be the 0w30? Probably not but I'd change to verify. Did you run it back? Now that isn't the SC but just their 0w30? Thoughts on your alum climbing up? Yes better with the 0w30 but still up historically on your uoa's, might hint why iron creeping up. Maybe rings issue? Not sure color code shows the story with 100k difference between samples and one still young engine.

Do you dose fuel and if so with what?

This was the Premium Plus; same formula as super car except it uses the API ad pack instead of Euro, but the rest is the same. It's their "top of the line" API blend, super car is their top of the line Euro blend, and then they have 2 simpler blends for each below that.

Aluminum isn't climbing up, all HPL's oils have on average about 3 to 7 PPM right from the virg|n oil, it's part of the moly as explained by David Ward himself. You can see it in this VOA database here too. It comes up a lot on bitog too, throws everyone for a loop. One VOA sample came back at 18 ppm which was an outlier of course, the sampling may have been a little off on that one.

I'm not too concerned about the iron, between 2 to 4 PPM/1000 miles is common for the hemi and other iron block v8s, but yeah I'd like to see it back down to 2 PPM range for sure.

I'm back to their basic PCMO 5w-30 this oil change, and I have another 3 oil changes for this in my garage so the next 4 runs will be interesting to watch.

I do use a fuel cleaner, Redline SI-1, not sure if I had any in there this past run but generally I aim for 1 full bottle in the tank per OCI.

 

[Travis8352]

maybe a combo of the winter being harsher and a alightly thinner viscosity? Allthough i have a hard time thinking half a cst would cause that as the additive package is very strong

 

[ramffml]

maybe a combo of the winter being harsher and a alightly thinner viscosity? Allthough i have a hard time thinking half a cst would cause that as the additive package is very strong

Most wear is during warmup (if I understand correctly). Worth noting that I have one other P+ run a few oil changes back, and that was in the 2-3 ppm/1000 range, in the same months (oct - april) so it may not be the formula at all, who knows. The next 4 runs will be the exact same oil (PCMO 5w-30 instead of P+ 0w-30 in this report) so that should be an interesting test to see if iron jumps down/up at all.

Just seems odd that my best results were the previous OCI on the PCMO 5w-30, which was the summer run, and I definitely work it harder with more towing trips. But startup is on much warmer temps too

 

[Travis8352]

Most wear is during warmup (if I understand correctly). Worth noting that I have one other P+ run a few oil changes back, and that was in the 2-3 ppm/1000 range, in the same months (oct - april) so it may not be the formula at all, who knows. The next 4 runs will be the exact same oil (PCMO 5w-30 instead of P+ 0w-30 in this report) so that should be an interesting test to see if iron jumps down/up at all.

Just seems odd that my best results were the previous OCI on the PCMO 5w-30, which was the summer run, and I definitely work it harder with more towing trips. But startup is on much warmer temps too

You do a fantastic job collecting data points so i will be interested to see what happens! Hopefully its just increased from the cold startup this past winter being harsher and all

 

[Nitroram1976]

This was the Premium Plus; same formula as super car except it uses the API ad pack instead of Euro, but the rest is the same. It's their "top of the line" API blend, super car is their top of the line Euro blend, and then they have 2 simpler blends for each below that.

Aluminum isn't climbing up, all HPL's oils have on average about 3 to 7 PPM right from the virg|n oil, it's part of the moly as explained by David Ward himself. You can see it in this VOA database here too. It comes up a lot on bitog too, throws everyone for a loop. One VOA sample came back at 18 ppm which was an outlier of course, the sampling may have been a little off on that one.

I'm not too concerned about the iron, between 2 to 4 PPM/1000 miles is common for the hemi and other iron block v8s, but yeah I'd like to see it back down to 2 PPM range for sure.

I'm back to their basic PCMO 5w-30 this oil change, and I have another 3 oil changes for this in my garage so the next 4 runs will be interesting to watch.

I do use a fuel cleaner, Redline SI-1, not sure if I had any in there this past run but generally I aim for 1 full bottle in the tank per OCI.

I’m running the amsoil signature series 5w30 Wix filter thought about trying some HPL though. 2015 5.7 38,000 miles

 

[Mpgrimm2]

Finally figured out how to create an eoilreports account and get my free sample sent off last week... Hopefully I submitted it correctly.

If I can figure out what to download/post for the report once it's processed, I will share it here and hopefully the oil gurus will be kind enough to tell me what it means!

Thanks again for sharing @Burla and @Travis8352 !

Here's my 22 ram 1500 5.7L (w/o eTorque) horizon oil report at 61k miles.

* Penzoil Ultra Platinum last 2 changes at 6-8k mi ea
... Penz Platinum for prior changes at 30-50k mi
... Dealer did prior oil changes from 0-30kmi.
... PacBrake remote filter setup, using standard Mopar MO-339 filters (since 30k mi)

They claim it's ok/normal... Let me know if anyone sees anything concerning?

Thanks in advance!
Mike G
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[Burla]

Here's my 22 ram 1500 5.7L (w/o eTorque) horizon oil report at 61k miles.

* Penzoil Ultra Platinum last 2 changes at 6-8k mi ea
... Penz Platinum for prior changes at 30-50k mi
... Dealer did prior oil changes from 0-30kmi.
... PacBrake remote filter setup, using standard Mopar MO-339 filters (since 30k mi)

They claim it's ok/normal... Let me know if anyone sees anything concerning?

Thanks in advance!
Mike G
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I cant see anything, link?

 

[Curmudgeon]

I cant see anything, link?

He linked it in the another thread, or something, scroll down in his post
to see an embedded .pdf then click on that to expand it.
I think it looks good to me but I'm looking forward to hearing other's opinions (yours!)...

EDIT: Here it is:



https://www.ramforum.com/threads/free-used-oil-analysis-with-pup.224136/#post-3091868

 

[Burla]

I don't see the mileage, but the report looks pretty perfect even with that thin oil. The only concern is copper, but my guess is still low mileage so normal at this point.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I don't see the mileage, but the report looks pretty perfect even with that thin oil. The only concern is copper, but my guess is still low mileage so normal at this point.

Right in the middle under "sample information"
6k miles on oil, 61,540 on vehicle.

Took me more than a minute to find it too.

 

[Burla]

So maybe a little high copper for that mileage, I'd just make sure it is going the right direction moving forward. As long as it is the same or lower all is well. Pretty perfect report for a hemi.

 

[Yardbird]

I wonder if there were any additives in his oil? I can not bring myself to use 0w20 in anything. I'm too old to change that thought.

My copper was a little higher than I like on two 6k oil changes using PUP 5w30 on my Pentastar, at around a 17 count.

Others using the same oil in the same engine were at low single digits, and more mileage on their engines.
I've came to the conclusion it's the Lubegard I've been using. Lubegard in in there now, and it's due for its summer change.

Not going to use Lubegard this time and see how the reports look, though it will take two years to flush out all the Lubegard, seeing as I have only been putting 6k a year on the truck.

Less miles now that I'm pretty much retired and staying home more.

I may move to 5k oil changes and see how that looks.

 

[Burla]

High moly usually creates high copper reading, you can see the high performance oils uoa's will almost always be higher then shelf oil, especially low wear pup. It's a trade off, wanna have a plate on moving metal parts like lifters, I would love to know other options better then moly. So yes you can usually bring down copper with less or no moly, but then again are you willing to give up something for that? The coefficient of friction is lessened by 6 to 7 times depending on moly count. That is a 600% to 700% lower coefficient of friction. White papers are old and in beggining of syn thread.