Can you order new 1500 without e-torque?

[Docwagon1776]

Wait till the Rumble Bee hits the dealers,as it supposedly has no e-torque,and the way Ram released them in the last couple days,i'm guessing you'll be seeing them fairly soon.

That's one way to address the backlog of failed parts. Stop using them for new trucks...divert to the warranty work that's waiting. Seems like a win to everyone involved, IMO.

 

[Docwagon1776]

I think you are spot on. I was having pretty much the exact same train of thought earlier today, as I was reading news about new data centers. These humongous data gathering machines certainly ain't being built just to help us get answers when we 'Google' something, lol.

No. They are being built to replace workers. There's no big conspiracy here, it's real simple and it's really overt as they are literally announcing what they are doing in investor news releases. It's money that used to be for wages now being for investors. Finance and tech companies have already laid off tens of thousands of workers to replace them with AI. Amazon alone has cut something close to 20k jobs and says they'll cut about about half a million in total between robots replacing warehouse workers and AI replacing desk jobs. Think what happens with automated driving tech displaces all the professional drivers. Some may be replaced with low paid "monitors" riding in the vehicle, but how many middle class jobs is that alone? From semi trucks to forklifts....huge chunk of middle class jobs are right on the edge of going ****** like mining did. There's no new jobs for those people. This isn't the industrial revolution creating more jobs than it destroyed.

Avoiding politics here and focusing just on economics, this is an acceleration of the ongoing trend to concentrate more and more wealth in fewer and fewer hands. NAFTA shafted the middle class. Wal-mart replaced GM as the largest employer in the US and the wage difference is huge. If NAFTA was a rowboat capsizing, this is the Titanic nearing the iceberg.

 

[Loudram]

The one area that's really hurting for people is the hardest to replace with AI, and that's the trades. All the trades are hurting especially industrial ones. Electricians, mechanics, pipe fitters, sheet metal workers. I'm an industrial electrician. I fix the automated machines. The more they automate, the more they need people with my skill set. No college required means no college debt. I learned my trade in the Navy and then years of on the job training. We need industrial electricians where I'm working at now but we can't find any qualified ones.

 

[Docwagon1776]

The one area that's really hurting for people is the hardest to replace with AI, and that's the trades. All the trades are hurting especially industrial ones. Electricians, mechanics, pipe fitters, sheet metal workers. I'm an industrial electrician. I fix the automated machines. The more they automate, the more they need people with my skill set. No college required means no college debt. I learned my trade in the Navy and then years of on the job training. We need industrial electricians where I'm working at now but we can't find any qualified ones.

My son is in the 3rd year of apprenticeship, so closing in on journeyman. These will be growth jobs for now, but those openings are not nearly enough for all the workers being displaced even if they have the required intelligence and skills.

You have to remember half the population is below average intelligence by definition. The intelligence required to be a warehouse picker is significantly lower than to be a skilled mechanic or diagnose electrical faults. That's not to say warehouse pickers are stupid, some will exceed the minimum to do the job of course, but even if there were unlimited trades jobs many just wouldn't be able to learn to do it. IQ is largely immutable, someone with an 85 IQ can't just work harder or study more to get to a 115 IQ any more than someone who's 5'4" can work their way to being 6'1".

The industrial revolution was so successful in job creation because the industrial jobs it created were an easy transition for agricultural laborers. If you could harvest crops, you could put wheels on a Model T. The same is not true for the Information Revolution, and AI hybridized with talented humans working in tandem is stretching that gap even more.

In real short terms: You can't have a robust middle class without jobs for the middle IQ bands that pay wages significant enough for economic and social mobility for both the worker and their offspring.

 

[Loudram]

Your son sounds like he's set up nice for the future. I know the trades can't absorb all those people, but if someone is so inclined, that might be worth checking out. You don't have to be a genius to work in the trades. (I'm not) You just have to be willing to get dirty and do some physical work.

After I left the Navy I started working as a helper doing residential electrical. Worked my way up to doing commercial work, taught myself conduit bending, then I was blessed enough to land an industrial electrical job because of my Navy background. And I've been working in various factories since then. It hasn't always been easy. I've been through a few plant closures. Two companies you world recognize are Johns Mansville building insulation and Sony. At JM we made fiberglass insulation. At Sony I worked on the machines that made CD's and DVD's. Both plants closed. But because of my skill set, I was able to find other jobs. No career path is guaranteed employment but some have more options than others. That's where the trades come in.

 

[MeatCurtains]

No. They are being built to replace workers. There's no big conspiracy here, it's real simple and it's really overt as they are literally announcing what they are doing in investor news releases. It's money that used to be for wages now being for investors. Finance and tech companies have already laid off tens of thousands of workers to replace them with AI. Amazon alone has cut something close to 20k jobs and says they'll cut about about half a million in total between robots replacing warehouse workers and AI replacing desk jobs. Think what happens with automated driving tech displaces all the professional drivers. Some may be replaced with low paid "monitors" riding in the vehicle, but how many middle class jobs is that alone? From semi trucks to forklifts....huge chunk of middle class jobs are right on the edge of going ****** like mining did. There's no new jobs for those people. This isn't the industrial revolution creating more jobs than it destroyed.

Avoiding politics here and focusing just on economics, this is an acceleration of the ongoing trend to concentrate more and more wealth in fewer and fewer hands. NAFTA shafted the middle class. Wal-mart replaced GM as the largest employer in the US and the wage difference is huge. If NAFTA was a rowboat capsizing, this is the Titanic nearing the iceberg.

AI data centers are bad news. They don't even create jobs in the local economy as these massive places only have a hand full of caretakers on staff.

That canadian ******* that was on shark tank is trying to push a 9gw center in Utah. A state struggling with water and at 9gw will use more energy than every city in the US besides NYC. This isn't helping anyone.

That's one way to address the backlog of failed parts. Stop using them for new trucks...divert to the warranty work that's waiting. Seems like a win to everyone involved, IMO.

Some guys from Stelantis were in our facility recently working with our Electric vehicle development stuff. We haven't been supplying for them, but they very likely could be looking for someone else to pick up production volume for the e-torque units. Most of that is handled in our european facilities but we have an entire plant thats empty where we shut down lines last year.

 

[Rlaf75]

The one area that's really hurting for people is the hardest to replace with AI, and that's the trades. All the trades are hurting especially industrial ones. Electricians, mechanics, pipe fitters, sheet metal workers. I'm an industrial electrician. I fix the automated machines. The more they automate, the more they need people with my skill set. No college required means no college debt. I learned my trade in the Navy and then years of on the job training. We need industrial electricians where I'm working at now but we can't find any qualified ones.

You are spot on. I've been in the automotive industry for 33 years and we cant find anyone competent to hire. The last 2 new guys we hired are the laziest bunch of dip$hits I've ever seen. Unfortunately the powers that be keep them because they are body's

 

[David Tree]

UPDATE

A 30-Year-Old 4Runner Just Sold For More Than A Brand-New One | Carscoops

Low miles, original tires, and 90s nostalgia sent this 4Runner soaring past new-car money

www.carscoops.com

Bidding starts at $60k on my 2022 RAM 1500 4WD CC only 16k miles 5.7 HEMI without e-Torque

 

[David Tree]

@mikeru @RamDiver

Do either of you guys have the phone number to Mecum's ???

You get 10% commission as my sales agent.

I am placing a Reserve of $70k on my RAM

Based on the 90s 4Runner, my RAM should hit $85k

 

[RamDiver]

@mikeru @RamDiver

Do either of you guys have the phone number to Mecum's ???

You get 10% commission as my sales agent.

I am placing a Reserve of $70k on my RAM

Based on the 90s 4Runner, my RAM should hit $85k

Mecum's at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

That's all I have.

.

 

[Wild one]

My son is in the 3rd year of apprenticeship, so closing in on journeyman. These will be growth jobs for now, but those openings are not nearly enough for all the workers being displaced even if they have the required intelligence and skills.

You have to remember half the population is below average intelligence by definition. The intelligence required to be a warehouse picker is significantly lower than to be a skilled mechanic or diagnose electrical faults. That's not to say warehouse pickers are stupid, some will exceed the minimum to do the job of course, but even if there were unlimited trades jobs many just wouldn't be able to learn to do it. IQ is largely immutable, someone with an 85 IQ can't just work harder or study more to get to a 115 IQ any more than someone who's 5'4" can work their way to being 6'1".

The industrial revolution was so successful in job creation because the industrial jobs it created were an easy transition for agricultural laborers. If you could harvest crops, you could put wheels on a Model T. The same is not true for the Information Revolution, and AI hybridized with talented humans working in tandem is stretching that gap even more.

In real short terms: You can't have a robust middle class without jobs for the middle IQ bands that pay wages significant enough for economic and social mobility for both the worker and their offspring.

Back when i was doing my electrical apprenticeship we used to joke about the plumbers,as all they had to know was "$h!t runs downhill" and that's generally the highest paying trade

 

[Loudram]

Back when i was doing my electrical apprenticeship we used to joke about the plumbers,as all they had to know was "$h!t runs downhill" and that's generally the highest paying trade

You forgot the two other things to know if you want to be a plumber. You got #1.

#2 is don't bite your nails
#3 payday is on Friday.

Remember when a plumber makes a mistake, people get wet.

When an electrician makes a mistake people get electrocuted.

I have to admit there is a certain amount of pride when I tell people that I'm an electrician. Of course there's always the follow up question from them of "Do you do work on the side?"

 

[Kickboxer]

@mikeru @RamDiver

Do either of you guys have the phone number to Mecum's ???

You get 10% commission as my sales agent.

I am placing a Reserve of $70k on my RAM

Based on the 90s 4Runner, my RAM should hit $85k

Those older Toyota's are in another league when it comes to resale. The 4-Runner and Tacoma have a cult following.

Ram, not so much..........

 

[British Bulldog]

I have to admit there is a certain amount of pride when I tell people that I'm an electrician.Of course there's always the follow up question from them of "Do you do work on the side?"

So…… do you?
I’ve got this little issue. Won’t take you a minute to just LOOK at it, maybe?
Hee hee hee

 

[Loudram]

So…… do you?
I’ve got this little issue. Won’t take you a minute to just LOOK at it, maybe?
Hee hee hee

For you, yes but you have to pay mileage as well as hourly from when I leave my house to when I get back.

 

[David Tree]

Those older Toyota's are in another league when it comes to resale. The 4-Runner and Tacoma have a cult following.

Ram, not so much..........

I wonder....?

Mecums = 2007 RAM 2500 4WD 5.9L Cummins in original condition with same low miles as the 93 4Runner

Wonder what that would fetch?

 

[David Tree]

Although the article below is on the New Tundra, it also applies to the RAM Hurricane as well as GM trucks

Enjoy the reading and Wake Up folks

Toyota’s Engine RECALL Fiasco: A 5,500-Pound Missile? | The Record Daily

therecorddaily.com

 

[mikeru]

Although the article below is on the New Tundra, it also applies to the RAM Hurricane as well as GM trucks

Enjoy the reading and Wake Up folks

Toyota’s Engine RECALL Fiasco: A 5,500-Pound Missile? | The Record Daily

therecorddaily.com

Please elaborate why you are calling out the Hurricane engines. Toyota’s V6 is a totally different design than the Hurricane I6 engines. I’d say the Toyota V6 has more in common with the Pentastar V6 than the Hurricane.

 

[David Tree]

Please elaborate why you are calling out the Hurricane engines. Toyota’s V6 is a totally different design than the Hurricane I6 engines. I’d say the Toyota V6 has more in common with the Pentastar V6 than the Hurricane.

The article focuses on Tundra but the REAL Issue is in the design flaws of NEW & IMPROVED = B.S.

As i said = this is across the board for all makes = Ford GM RAM Toyota

RAM Hurricane has serious problems from design flaws which include plastic internal parts along with electrical issues and such

GM with collapsing lifters, bad trans and such forth

 

[mikeru]

The article focuses on Tundra but the REAL Issue is in the design flaws of NEW & IMPROVED = B.S.

As i said = this is across the board for all makes = Ford GM RAM Toyota

RAM Hurricane has serious problems from design flaws which include plastic internal parts along with electrical issues and such

GM with collapsing lifters, bad trans and such forth

I don’t own a truck with the Hurricane, and haven’t even seen one in person. But which internal parts of the engine are made of plastic? I’ve seen lots of external plastic parts, such as intake manifolds, timing covers, oil pans, and water pumps. But I can’t say I’ve ever seen a plastic internal engine part other than timing chain tensioners, which have been in use for decades now.