Cold Air Intake produces a 41 Horsepower Gain for 2025 Ram?

[tron67j]

This is how you get cold air to the engine, just need to run a hose from output through windshield and into hole cut into hood.

 

[Riccochet]

Read the fine print because there's an * next to both HP and TQ. There must be some extraordinary circumstances to achieve those kind of numbers because that an awful lot to gain

They did a dyno run with the stock air box at 10,000 feet of elevation, then installed their intake and ran it again at sea level.

 

[tjfdesmo]

Cotton gauze is for dressing wounds, not filtering air.

 

[tron67j]

I don't know enough about Dyno runs to provide any authoritative pronouncement of whether the filter increased up to 41 HP. But I have enough knowledge to be very sceptical of hp claims because 1) they asterisk the number; 2) performance chips I have seen in the past offer somewhere around 35 hp gains in advertising; and 3) I have seen Dyno runs and saw variances in runs such as where the system thought RPMs where higher than they were so results were skewed.

On my second point, who would tune a vehicle at such a high cost (chip cost plus running premium fuel going forward) when a filter can provide as much increase? I kind of fall in the camp that vehicles are pretty much all controlled by computers and one has to modify that computer so that it can accept and use any performance add-ons.

Just saying that any manufacturer claims may not be real world possibilities. But if installing some add-on leads a person to believe their vehicle is working better then have fun.

 

[Wild one]

I don't know enough about Dyno runs to provide any authoritative pronouncement of whether the filter increased up to 41 HP. But I have enough knowledge to be very sceptical of hp claims because 1) they asterisk the number; 2) performance chips I have seen in the past offer somewhere around 35 hp gains in advertising; and 3) I have seen Dyno runs and saw variances in runs such as where the system thought RPMs where higher than they were so results were skewed.

On my second point, who would tune a vehicle at such a high cost (chip cost plus running premium fuel going forward) when a filter can provide as much increase? I kind of fall in the camp that vehicles are pretty much all controlled by computers and one has to modify that computer so that it can accept and use any performance add-ons.

Just saying that any manufacturer claims may not be real world possibilities. But if installing some add-on leads a person to believe their vehicle is working better then have fun.

A good dyno operator can make a dyno read as much or as little as you want.
Horsepower is just a mathematical equation of torque X rpm divided by 5252.
Dyno's don't measure horsepower,they measure torque then compute it into a horsepower number

 

[Dan Topp]

I had a cry o2 system on my intercooler but that would be the only way to lower IATs not a CAI.

 

[Panduh]

K&N is crap and that claim is total BS.

 

[Dan Topp]

A good dyno operator can make a dyno read as much or as little as you want.
Horsepower is just a mathematical equation of torque X rpm divided by 5252.
Dyno's don't measure horsepower,they measure torque then compute it into a horsepower number

The first tuner I had,desensitized the knock sensors on a ls7 and I learned a lot about darton sleeves.

 

[Riccochet]

Dyno's are good for seeing a delta in power changes. As said there is a vast difference in the numbers you see depending on the dyno used and how it is programmed. Mustang or Dynojet. And the power numbers shown can vary greatly depending on environmental conditions. Air temperature, humidity, elevation, all play a role.

I've only ever used a dyno to tune my vehicles. See changes in real time, and get an "estimate" of power being produced. I'd say accuracy is +/- 10%.

 

[blackbetty14]

The hurricane uses MAF.

yikes, right there I'm out.

 

[Wild one]

yikes, right there I'm out.

Why,i'd rather they used a MAF sensor to monitor actual airflow through the engine,then a Map sensor which uses pre-programmed parameters to hopefully match what the engine needs for fuel.Easier to tune a Maf system then a Map system

 

[Riccochet]

Why,i'd rather they used a MAF sensor to monitor actual airflow through the engine,then a Map sensor which uses pre-programmed parameters to hopefully match what the engine needs for fuel.Easier to tune a Maf system then a Map system

I'd take MAP on a forced induction engine. You can calculate charge density based on manifold pressure and temperature.

 

[Jimmy07]

I'd take MAP on a forced induction engine. You can calculate charge density based on manifold pressure and temperature.

How about both MAP and MAF, like the hurricane does have?

 

[Wild one]

I'd take MAP on a forced induction engine. You can calculate charge density based on manifold pressure and temperature.

I still think using actual airflow through the engine is the better tuning option,but that's just my opinion. The early 15/16 707 horse Hellcats used a Maf system,and they're still one of the faster Hellcats if they haven't had the COT recall done. Most of the early 707 Hellcats with-out the COT recall will put a hurting on the 797 horse Red Eyes,if they're completely stock.
They used both Maf and Map on the early Hellcats and truck 6.4's,i haven't dug into the Hurricane,but i'd hazard a guess it uses both Maf and Map

 

[turkeybird56]

Does the built on cold air kit come with special sticker/decal fer window so U can advertise your 41 HP gain (sic) lol.

 

[turkeybird56]

I had K N oiled unit on my 2010 F 150 with Triton 5.4L motor. On my RAM I run non oiled AEM filter in stock box.

 

[blackbetty14]

Why,i'd rather they used a MAF sensor to monitor actual airflow through the engine,then a Map sensor which uses pre-programmed parameters to hopefully match what the engine needs for fuel.Easier to tune a Maf system then a Map system

MAFs are subjected to the air path, they can be damaged or affected by what is in the air path and they are expensive to replace. MAF have slight benefits in throttle response and higher accuracy but the the differences are so minute the benefits far outweigh the positives. MAP generally never fail, they don't loose performance, aren't restricted to a max flow, MAP are better with altitude changes and boost.

I've tuned both MAF and MAP, Its easier to place a MAP sensor in the intake and run and SD tune than to mess with the MAF voltages, plus the MAF requires a certain amount of straight tubing before and after the MAF to not skew the readings. If its a stock Car and won't be modified then MAF is fine but I would be keeping the pre MAF filtration as fine as possible to protect the MAF. It's a personal thing and I prefer MAP and I've converted all my cars to MAP if they had MAF sensors.

 

[Riccochet]

Nope. Show me dyno results with the intake being the only mod, no tune. Guarantee there will be zero difference.

 

[Wild one]

Nope. Show me dyno results with the intake being the only mod, no tune. Guarantee there will be zero difference.

Dyno numbers can be manipulated,a real world test on the track or a road using a Dragy is a better method of testing.
Matt Fikac is actually pretty good at testing new products,and most of his tests can usually be backed up.
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[NCRaineman]

The horsepower wars have reached ludicrous level. Low 13's out of a pickup with the "standard" engine is stupid. There's no need for that level of performance. Stellantis should have detuned that engine by about 100hp so it would be happier on 87 octane and return superior fuel economy.