Help with squat

[iam_canadian22]

Need some advice. On my last ram, a 13 sport i ran airlift 1000's. All was good but they tore in the cold of the winter. Took em out and left it. Now im in a 16 outdoorsman that i tow more frequently with. I first tried timbergrove air bags. Worked great loaded but it road very harsh when unloaded. I couldn't find an area with a good ride. Min recommended pressure would jar right through my body on small dips in the road, felt like it would bottom out. Played with air pressure even going less then recommended to test and it only transitioned from this jarring feeling on dips and sharp bumps to stiff from the air pressure with no load with no smooth ride in between. Back and forth with timbergrove to check a few things and in the end he just blamed it on bad roads. Pretty dumb to me, they are rough roads but nothing to cause that as all is good stock and was good with the airlifts. Anyways pulled off the timbergroves and sold em. So now im looking at my next options. Do i go back to airlift 1000's and replace everytime they blow in the winter? Try timbrens or sumosprings? Switch coils?

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[sequoia464]

I had the same experience with air springs being harsh when unloaded.

On my 2017 Bighorn, I am using these springs - very happy with them.

https://tuftruck.com/products/ttc-1211/

 

[14hemiexpress]

First thought is tuff truck variable rate coils I haven't used them but theory seems good.

 

[gofishn]

First off, I would recommend you call TufTruck. Explain your needs and usage and they can give you advice.
That is what I did and I love my 1211 springs. Though others, love their 1223V just as much.

here is a synopsis of what i gleaned from my phone call.


TTC-1210 - Perfect OEM replacement coils. Essentially stock height, (may notice a 1/2 inch loss but most do not) Will not change ride characteristics whatsoever. When running light, never know the truck had anything other than OEM coils. Will handle 25% more load (roughly 450lbs) than OEM Springs.




TTC-1211 - 50% stronger than OEM Spring. will handle 900lbs more weight than OEM and is exact same height.
This spring has a constant rate of compression. not like OEM, IT is stiffer though out the spings range.


NOTE: When I installed these springs. I noticed they are actually about 1/2inch shorter than OEM. However, once on the truck, I gained some rear end height. I assume this was due to my A.R.E. Topper weight and the weaker OEM springs being compressed "more" because of said topper weight.

Those who are used to 3/4 or 1 ton trucks will prefer this spring. Will feel more natural, to them. Other words, the truck will now handle weight much more like former 3/4 ton and up truck owners would expect.

Ride will suffer, though I cannot really tell, when unloaded, versus OEM, but will still provide a very nice ride. Only thing I noticed, vs OEM, was with the OEM springs, my truck would seem rolly polly Olly, at times, truck never feels that way, now.









TTC-1223 - 50% more carrying capacity than OEM rear springs. Roughly 900lbs.

Guy said he designed this spring for trucks that are CONSTANTLY under a load.
Recommended minimum CONSTANT load weight of 600lbs.
If not loaded, very rough ride and the springs will raise your trucks rear end by 2-4 inches.



TTC-1223V - 99% of folks are going to want this spring. 50% more load capability (roughly 900lbs) than OEM rear springs. 1/2 inch shorter than OEM but most will not notice. Can be used with Bilstein 5100 on rear.



Variable rate coil, so when not loaded, rides wonderfully. Top part of the spring will behave much like OEM. However, since it is variable rate spring, it will stiffen up, as more weight is added. Less sag than OEM and even the TTC-1210, same load. Minor loads will still sag though. that's how the spring keeps the super nice ride characteristics. However, as weight is added, spring really begins to show its worth.

 

[West27]

Has anyone tried these 1223v? I’m looking at getting them to help with the sag on my truck but not sure if it is worth it or not. My 5000 cargo trailer pulls great but does sag the truck a little.

 

[iam_canadian22]

Thanks guys, ill give them a call and go from there. Also interested in any real world experience with the variable rate coils

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[grizzstang]

Has anyone tried these 1223v? I’m looking at getting them to help with the sag on my truck but not sure if it is worth it or not. My 5000 cargo trailer pulls great but does sag the truck a little.

I have them in mine and my travel trailer is around 5000 pounds. I am happy with them so far. I did lose around a 1/2" or more of ride height in the rear (unloaded) but when the trailer is hooked up it no longer sits on the bump stops. It sits pretty flat. When unloaded I didn't really notice any difference in ride quality either. I was too excited putting them in and didn't measure my stock ride height in the rear but there is definitely less rake which I am good with.

 

[West27]

I have them in mine and my travel trailer is around 5000 pounds. I am happy with them so far. I did lose around a 1/2" or more of ride height in the rear (unloaded) but when the trailer is hooked up it no longer sits on the bump stops. It sits pretty flat. When unloaded I didn't really notice any difference in ride quality either. I was too excited putting them in and didn't measure my stock ride height in the rear but there is definitely less rake which I am good with.

Ok good to know. My truck already has a 2” level kit on it so now with another 1/2 off the back it should be totally level now. Any difference in how it towed with it being more level? Are you running a WD hitch?

 

[Hemi395]

First off, I would recommend you call TufTruck. Explain your needs and usage and they can give you advice.
That is what I did and I love my 1211 springs. Though others, love their 1223V just as much.

here is a synopsis of what i gleaned from my phone call.


TTC-1210 - Perfect OEM replacement coils. Essentially stock height, (may notice a 1/2 inch loss but most do not) Will not change ride characteristics whatsoever. When running light, never know the truck had anything other than OEM coils. Will handle 25% more load (roughly 450lbs) than OEM Springs.




TTC-1211 - 50% stronger than OEM Spring. will handle 900lbs more weight than OEM and is exact same height.
This spring has a constant rate of compression. not like OEM, IT is stiffer though out the spings range.


NOTE: When I installed these springs. I noticed they are actually about 1/2inch shorter than OEM. However, once on the truck, I gained some rear end height. I assume this was due to my A.R.E. Topper weight and the weaker OEM springs being compressed "more" because of said topper weight.

Those who are used to 3/4 or 1 ton trucks will prefer this spring. Will feel more natural, to them. Other words, the truck will now handle weight much more like former 3/4 ton and up truck owners would expect.

Ride will suffer, though I cannot really tell, when unloaded, versus OEM, but will still provide a very nice ride. Only thing I noticed, vs OEM, was with the OEM springs, my truck would seem rolly polly Olly, at times, truck never feels that way, now.









TTC-1223 - 50% more carrying capacity than OEM rear springs. Roughly 900lbs.

Guy said he designed this spring for trucks that are CONSTANTLY under a load.
Recommended minimum CONSTANT load weight of 600lbs.
If not loaded, very rough ride and the springs will raise your trucks rear end by 2-4 inches.



TTC-1223V - 99% of folks are going to want this spring. 50% more load capability (roughly 900lbs) than OEM rear springs. 1/2 inch shorter than OEM but most will not notice. Can be used with Bilstein 5100 on rear.



Variable rate coil, so when not loaded, rides wonderfully. Top part of the spring will behave much like OEM. However, since it is variable rate spring, it will stiffen up, as more weight is added. Less sag than OEM and even the TTC-1210, same load. Minor loads will still sag though. that's how the spring keeps the super nice ride characteristics. However, as weight is added, spring really begins to show its worth.

Great info!

 

[gofishn]

Has anyone tried these 1223v? I’m looking at getting them to help with the sag on my truck but not sure if it is worth it or not. My 5000 cargo trailer pulls great but does sag the truck a little.

I do not but have chatted it up with many on this and other forums, who have the 1223V. They love them.
Tuftruck told me it is their number one selling RAM spring. Most folks do NOT usually have a load in or on their trucks and the 1223V is basically OEM rate of compression for top 2 inches or so. so no difference in unloaded ride.

I prefer the 1211. I thought the OEM ride to squishy, too much roll and lean in corners and basically did not liek the 'float' feeling I got out of the OEM springs., then again, i came from 3.4 ton trucks most of my adult life. 1211 ride much nicer than 3.4 ton trucks ever did but still handle weight liek I am used to springs handling weight.

keep in mind, I did have a 1997 1500 ram for about 2 years, biggest reason i got rids of it was wimpy ride wimpy springs and tires that rolled whenever weight was put on teh truck.
only reason i got a 1500 now, is I am 20 years older, do not do much "work" anymore and hardly pull anything. just a lund boat.

 

[grizzstang]

Ok good to know. My truck already has a 2” level kit on it so now with another 1/2 off the back it should be totally level now. Any difference in how it towed with it being more level? Are you running a WD hitch?

Yes it was easier to drive when it wasn't motor boating down the highway. Towing with the ass end hammered down and front end up doesn't make the truck handle well. I am running a WD hitch, I wouldn't tow anything heavy without one.

Completely leveled when empty means you will have ass end sag when hooked up to the trailer with the 1223V's. My rear end is 2" higher than the front with no level. Maybe the 1211's would be a better bet since you are leveled.