I Have a P20EE after the 67A Recall Work

[BossHogg]

I was driving back from our campsite yesterday (not towing) and saw the check engine light on. Thankfully, there were no other issues and no change in driveability. When I stopped for fuel, I used my iDash Data Monster to run a diagnostic and found only one DTC set, P20EE.

I did a quick search while the pump was running and saw that others posted the same issue, DTC P20EE, after the 67A recall work. In July of 2024, the dealer reprogrammed my truck and did a transmission relearn to satisfy the 67A recall. Since then, I managed to put on 973 miles before I got the DTC P20EE. I saw some users complaining of being told their DEF was bad (same DEF batch is in my ECODiesel); that seems to be a dealer favorite blame. Today, I will sample my DEF and use my DEF Refractometer and DEF disc tester to make sure they don't try to pull this on me. I always test my DEF before pouring it in. Fortunately, the 67A recall also provided a 10-year, 150,000-mile warranty starting on the date the recall was performed.

I'm curious if anyone else has waded through this mess, and if so, what was the remedy? I've read everything from a SCR replacement to a DEF injector issue, but mostly the bad DEF claim. The truck is 10 years old and only has 39,000 miles. This is the first time I've had a problem with the emissions system.

 

[Topzide]

After the 67A recall, you're provided a 4 yr - 48K extended warranty. The 10 yr 150K is for the newer trucks with the 100K emissions warranty. Not sure if the dealer was telling you that or not. I sure wish it would give us that much extra warranty after doing the 67A.

 

[turkeybird56]

I was driving back from our campsite yesterday (not towing) and saw the check engine light on. Thankfully, there were no other issues and no change in driveability. When I stopped for fuel, I used my iDash Data Monster to run a diagnostic and found only one DTC set, P20EE.

I did a quick search while the pump was running and saw that others posted the same issue, DTC P20EE, after the 67A recall work. In July of 2024, the dealer reprogrammed my truck and did a transmission relearn to satisfy the 67A recall. Since then, I managed to put on 973 miles before I got the DTC P20EE. I saw some users complaining of being told their DEF was bad (same DEF batch is in my ECODiesel); that seems to be a dealer favorite blame. Today, I will sample my DEF and use my DEF Refractometer and DEF disc tester to make sure they don't try to pull this on me. I always test my DEF before pouring it in. Fortunately, the 67A recall also provided a 10-year, 150,000-mile warranty starting on the date the recall was performed.

I'm curious if anyone else has waded through this mess, and if so, what was the remedy? I've read everything from a SCR replacement to a DEF injector issue, but mostly the bad DEF claim. The truck is 10 years old and only has 39,000 miles. This is the first time I've had a problem with the emissions system.

Seems to me everytime "Stellantis" does something to fix something (recall), they ***** something else up. I had an ED and when they did that "CARB" mandated emission TSB, it screwed other stuff up. WHICH is why, even today, I have a "recall/TSB" WORK pending on my 2019 Hemi and I will not have it done. Because the last time they did an update, allegedly fixed "5" updates and caused "2" problems today that has not been fixed and RAM denies the issue/no fix available. All above IMHO.

 

[BossHogg]

After the 67A recall, you're provided a 4 yr - 48K extended warranty. The 10 yr 150K is for the newer trucks with the 100K emissions warranty. Not sure if the dealer was telling you that or not. I sure wish it would give us that much extra warranty after doing the 67A.

I just reread my 67A warranty, the coverage is;

Model years are 2013 - 2019.
10 years or 120,000 from the initial vehicle sales date
or
4 years or 48,000 miles from the initial emission recall completion date.

They did the 67A recall work on my truck in July of 2024, so I'm covered by the warranty, and right now, that is all that counts.

Regarding the initial factory emissions period, you may be confusing the 60K miles/5 years for gas engines with 100K/5 years for diesel engines. My window sticker clearly states 100,000/5 year. The dealer told me nothing, I have yet to talk with them. All the information I have is from printed documents sourced from Stellantis.

 

[BossHogg]

If anyone is interested in how the Bank's iDash Data Monster captures a diagnostic event, here is the capture of the P20EE event;

Current Cycle: #234
Occurence Cycle: #233

P20EE: SCR nox Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold

LOAD - 35 %
ECT - 189 °F
RPM - 1148
SPEED - 52 MPH
IAT - 111 °F
MAF - 6.2 LB/M
RUN TM - 41:17 SEC
FUEL L - 83 %
AAP - 14.21 PSIA
BATT - 14.2 V
AAT - 52 °F
APP D - 19 %
APP E - 20 %
APPREL - 20 %
TM ADV - +0.9 °BTDC
TRQCMD - 33 %
TORQUE - 33 %
TRQREF - 800 FT-LB
Pending P20EE: SCR nox Catalyst Efficiency Below Threshold

This is telling me the condition was detected once, and now P20EE is stored. The DTC will not clear until a set number of ignition cycles occur and the P20EE is not detected again. I believe the cycle count is 50, but I may be wrong. Until then, I'll have to live with the check engine light

 

[zonker]

RAM replaced my SCR and DPF under the 67A extended warranty after previously replacing the DEF pump and injector. 2 months later it is back. Can't even get a service appointment now. They do not answer, and the website no longer has any open appointments.

 

[BossHogg]

Just got the beast of a tow vehicle out of a winter snooze, and the check engine light was still illuminated from last season. Same reason, the P20EE DTC. This has been recurring since the 67A recall was completed. The light would go off for a while and then back on. Interesting, it never lit when towing heavy, just when driving unloaded on 50 to 55 MPH roads. I bit the bullet, and my dealer now has it.

They called yesterday asking when I last put DEF in the truck, if I have a tune on the truck, and what the switches are for. I put in 2 1/2 gallons of DEF at the end of last season, but I did anticipate this question. Before the truck went in for service, I sampled the DEF and tested it with both a disc device and a refractometer. Both instruments gave the DEF a pass, and I conveyed that to the service writer.

They thought the Banks iDash I have in the truck, along with the switches, was a programmer that allowed me to select engine tunes. Reasonable question, albeit hard to believe auto techs didn't recognize the abilities of an iDash. The switch is part of BD Diesel's front axle lockout. It allows me to go into four-wheel low without engaging the front axle. This is to eliminate steering binding when maneuvering a camper into a camping spot. I get the benefits of low-end torque and no steering binding.

I did Google "P20EE after 67A recall," and the search engine found a sea of posts from the Cummins forums to RAM forums to RV forums. Seems this is a very common issue with the 2013 through 2018 RAM Cummins model years. I spent some time reading, and everything was there, from techs firing the parts cannon to replacing the downstream NOX sensor. I did not see a post that reported a solution to the P20EE code going away and staying away.

On the good news side, the dealer is aware that the entire emissions system is covered by the 67A warranty and that all the warranty paperwork was printed when he entered my VIN into his computer.

Since my 3500 has never seen a snowflake, let alone a salted road, it looks brand new on top and underneath. So far, I've received two calls from the dealership asking if I would be interested in trading it in or selling the truck. My answer is sure, if you can place me in a new one that doesn't cost a 100K.

I'm crossing my fingers that they will find out the root cause of the P20EE setting and fix it. I don't want to hear the typical dealer BS, and I hope they don't play that card. I regret having the 67A recall performed on my truck. After 10 years of hauling a 16,000-pound camper around the country and Michigan, I had zero issues, yes, zero issues, until they put that damn 67A recall on the truck.

 

[truck2014]

Just got the beast of a tow vehicle out of a winter snooze, and the check engine light was still illuminated from last season. Same reason, the P20EE DTC. This has been recurring since the 67A recall was completed. The light would go off for a while and then back on. Interesting, it never lit when towing heavy, just when driving unloaded on 50 to 55 MPH roads. I bit the bullet, and my dealer now has it.

They called yesterday asking when I last put DEF in the truck, if I have a tune on the truck, and what the switches are for. I put in 2 1/2 gallons of DEF at the end of last season, but I did anticipate this question. Before the truck went in for service, I sampled the DEF and tested it with both a disc device and a refractometer. Both instruments gave the DEF a pass, and I conveyed that to the service writer.

They thought the Banks iDash I have in the truck, along with the switches, was a programmer that allowed me to select engine tunes. Reasonable question, albeit hard to believe auto techs didn't recognize the abilities of an iDash. The switch is part of BD Diesel's front axle lockout. It allows me to go into four-wheel low without engaging the front axle. This is to eliminate steering binding when maneuvering a camper into a camping spot. I get the benefits of low-end torque and no steering binding.

I did Google "P20EE after 67A recall," and the search engine found a sea of posts from the Cummins forums to RAM forums to RV forums. Seems this is a very common issue with the 2013 through 2018 RAM Cummins model years. I spent some time reading, and everything was there, from techs firing the parts cannon to replacing the downstream NOX sensor. I did not see a post that reported a solution to the P20EE code going away and staying away.

On the good news side, the dealer is aware that the entire emissions system is covered by the 67A warranty and that all the warranty paperwork was printed when he entered my VIN into his computer.

Since my 3500 has never seen a snowflake, let alone a salted road, it looks brand new on top and underneath. So far, I've received two calls from the dealership asking if I would be interested in trading it in or selling the truck. My answer is sure, if you can place me in a new one that doesn't cost a 100K.

I'm crossing my fingers that they will find out the root cause of the P20EE setting and fix it. I don't want to hear the typical dealer BS, and I hope they don't play that card. I regret having the 67A recall performed on my truck. After 10 years of hauling a 16,000-pound camper around the country and Michigan, I had zero issues, yes, zero issues, until they put that damn 67A recall on the truck.

You say the warranty covers the entire emissions system , as far as I know unless they have changed the warranty the warranty on our trucks are not covered on the EGR ,nor the DPF. I would have to read it again , the SCR , both nox sensors ,some DEF components . But as far as I know not the two mentioned .

 

[RamCares]

Just got the beast of a tow vehicle out of a winter snooze, and the check engine light was still illuminated from last season. Same reason, the P20EE DTC. This has been recurring since the 67A recall was completed. The light would go off for a while and then back on. Interesting, it never lit when towing heavy, just when driving unloaded on 50 to 55 MPH roads. I bit the bullet, and my dealer now has it.

They called yesterday asking when I last put DEF in the truck, if I have a tune on the truck, and what the switches are for. I put in 2 1/2 gallons of DEF at the end of last season, but I did anticipate this question. Before the truck went in for service, I sampled the DEF and tested it with both a disc device and a refractometer. Both instruments gave the DEF a pass, and I conveyed that to the service writer.

They thought the Banks iDash I have in the truck, along with the switches, was a programmer that allowed me to select engine tunes. Reasonable question, albeit hard to believe auto techs didn't recognize the abilities of an iDash. The switch is part of BD Diesel's front axle lockout. It allows me to go into four-wheel low without engaging the front axle. This is to eliminate steering binding when maneuvering a camper into a camping spot. I get the benefits of low-end torque and no steering binding.

I did Google "P20EE after 67A recall," and the search engine found a sea of posts from the Cummins forums to RAM forums to RV forums. Seems this is a very common issue with the 2013 through 2018 RAM Cummins model years. I spent some time reading, and everything was there, from techs firing the parts cannon to replacing the downstream NOX sensor. I did not see a post that reported a solution to the P20EE code going away and staying away.

On the good news side, the dealer is aware that the entire emissions system is covered by the 67A warranty and that all the warranty paperwork was printed when he entered my VIN into his computer.

Since my 3500 has never seen a snowflake, let alone a salted road, it looks brand new on top and underneath. So far, I've received two calls from the dealership asking if I would be interested in trading it in or selling the truck. My answer is sure, if you can place me in a new one that doesn't cost a 100K.

I'm crossing my fingers that they will find out the root cause of the P20EE setting and fix it. I don't want to hear the typical dealer BS, and I hope they don't play that card. I regret having the 67A recall performed on my truck. After 10 years of hauling a 16,000-pound camper around the country and Michigan, I had zero issues, yes, zero issues, until they put that damn 67A recall on the truck.

If you need any additional support while your vehicle is at the dealer, then we're more than willing to have this reviewed to see where aid can be given. At any time connect with us directly and we'll look into this from there.

Chris,
Ram Cares

 

[BossHogg]

My dealer completed the diagnostic, and I picked up my truck while they wait for the parts to come in. They are replacing all DEF components, excluding the DEF tank, as well as the catalytic converter. My service writer assured me there would be no out of pocket expenses, everything, sensors included, are covered by the 67A recall warranty.

I've read posts from others batteling the P20EE code and had simular repairs. The DEF replacement only solve the issue for a short period of time. I've yet to read a post that claimed the P20EE issue was solved which is scaring me.

 

[Gr8bawana]

It sure seems more than a coincidence that people drive these trucks for years with zero problems then suddenly start having problems after having the recall done.
That is the reason I will not have the recall done on my truck no matter what incentives they throw out there.
I've put 70k + miles on it since we bought it as a lease return in 2019. I tow heavy at least 4-5 times a years and have had zero problems.
I'm not going to roll the dice by having the recall done.

 

[truck2014]

It sure seems more than a coincidence that people drive these trucks for years with zero problems then suddenly start having problems after having the recall done.
That is the reason I will not have the recall done on my truck no matter what incentives they throw out there.
I've put 70k + miles on it since we bought it as a lease return in 2019. I tow heavy at least 4-5 times a years and have had zero problems.
I'm not going to roll the dice by having the recall done.

Same here , rolling the dice , here is how I looked at it ,my first recall on this 67A has been what now three to four years ago ? . If I would have done it , that warranty is nearly up . Sure I can get it now ,and start the four years ,and hope a bunch of issues don't pop up . It's been mixed reviews for sure ,some no issues ,others barely got home ,and started having problems . Just don't see the wisdom in getting the recall , doesn't cover the DPF or the EGR on my 2014 , SCR , sensors ,and DEF components are covered . I will continue to roll the dice , plus the fact that I have owned this truck since new , and long paid for , if it costs me a bit money that the warranty covers ,so be it .

 

[truck2014]

Wondering how BossHogg trucks coming along , it's amazing this recall ,you get it done ,you start having emission issues ,and your truck gets stuck at the dealer waiting on parts , or the problem persists .

 

[BossHogg]

Wondering how BossHogg trucks coming along , it's amazing this recall ,you get it done ,you start having emission issues ,and your truck gets stuck at the dealer waiting on parts , or the problem persists .

I've been patiently waiting for the parts to come in, but it looks like that may never happen. The dealer has no idea when they will receive the parts they ordered (or if that will fix the issue). While the warranty for 67A is all-inclusive, it is worthless if they can't get the parts.

Here I am at the end of June, with camping plans put on hold (and a mad wife), and my ability to move around my equipment to boost retirement income is also on hold. So I am seriously considering deleting the emissions system. I do not see another route out of this mess. I've asked the dealer to restore my truck to pre-67A, but they won't or can't, wasn't sure which.

I'm all for clean air, but at what cost? I have an expensive truck that can't be used for anything. I've had enough!

Does anyone have any experience, positive experience with deleting a 2015 RAM Cummins, and with what solution? I'm not looking for additional power; what I have is more than adequate. I just want the truck to run without fear of being derated and shut down.

Thanks.

 

[tjfdesmo]

Cummins and Ram have totally lost the plot. What a shame.

 

[truck2014]

I've been patiently waiting for the parts to come in, but it looks like that may never happen. The dealer has no idea when they will receive the parts they ordered (or if that will fix the issue). While the warranty for 67A is all-inclusive, it is worthless if they can't get the parts.

Here I am at the end of June, with camping plans put on hold (and a mad wife), and my ability to move around my equipment to boost retirement income is also on hold. So I am seriously considering deleting the emissions system. I do not see another route out of this mess. I've asked the dealer to restore my truck to pre-67A, but they won't or can't, wasn't sure which.

I'm all for clean air, but at what cost? I have an expensive truck that can't be used for anything. I've had enough!

Does anyone have any experience, positive experience with deleting a 2015 RAM Cummins, and with what solution? I'm not looking for additional power; what I have is more than adequate. I just want the truck to run without fear of being derated and shut down.

Thanks.

Thats so unfortunate , sorry to hear it . You mention I am all for clean air , just wondering if that 67a in all reality has done anything for emissions . Would be interesting to have a truck tested before ,and after . But I assume that is what happened , resulting in a recall ??????

My state for whatever reasons has counties that do not require emissions ,and some that do . At least I think it is still that way , my county requires emission testing ,so not an option for me . At this point I wouldn't delete if I could , no need . I have had a couple minor emission related issues that were repaired , and have not had any further problems .

I found a local repair shop that does good work that repaired my emission related problem , both nox 1 & 2 sensors . Cost was the price of the sensors , and $150 labor per sensor . $300 was not worth getting my hands dirty , I couldn't imagine what a dealer would have been . I researched those sensors ,had them buy both from a dealer , one of them was available in a reman , and the other was not , warranty the same on both . He charged me the same price that I could have bought them for , so I didn't get gouged there .

I prepared to fix, and pay for any problem that 67a recall would pay for . I believe without looking again ,its covers the nox sensors ,SCR , NOT the DPF , NOT the EGR , does cover the DEF components , I think thats about it ?? No idea what parts you are having to wait on . Making a guess here , I'm thinking the recall may have created the shortage here ??

 

[JW2 Innovations]

I've been patiently waiting for the parts to come in, but it looks like that may never happen. The dealer has no idea when they will receive the parts they ordered (or if that will fix the issue). While the warranty for 67A is all-inclusive, it is worthless if they can't get the parts.

Here I am at the end of June, with camping plans put on hold (and a mad wife), and my ability to move around my equipment to boost retirement income is also on hold. So I am seriously considering deleting the emissions system. I do not see another route out of this mess. I've asked the dealer to restore my truck to pre-67A, but they won't or can't, wasn't sure which.

I'm all for clean air, but at what cost? I have an expensive truck that can't be used for anything. I've had enough!

Does anyone have any experience, positive experience with deleting a 2015 RAM Cummins, and with what solution? I'm not looking for additional power; what I have is more than adequate. I just want the truck to run without fear of being derated and shut down.

Thanks.

Hey @BossHogg Sorry to hear this.

I've heard that some have had luck with doing a basic delete kit with some tuners like MM3 (and similar) that include the EGR/DPF/DEF delete options included along with including either a drop in exhaust pipe section or from either the drop pipe behind the turbo, or from the turbo itself back. I would recommend if you go from drop pipe or turbo back go ahead and go to a 5in exhaust setup. Takes the pressure off of the engine, which for a diesel is always best.

Also think about the heater delete on intake manifold along with intake swap - can certainly be done later, but should be considered if you see a cost savings adding it to the kit up front. You don't have to go crazy in this area, there are options that are more budget friendly and help with lack of air flow from OEM design while keeping your grid heater working. Heater just moves to intake is all, same wiring source. Figured you would want to keep living up N. I personally don't have a grid heater anymore, but I don't live where you do. Last few winters when it was below freezing for several weeks I never had an issue cold starting due to no grid heater. Again, a personal choice.

If I were doing this now with the change in business names after all the law suites previously, I'd take a good look at Spelab as one option. To me their prices and options seem reasonable to when I looked at this before years back. There are certainly other vendor options as well.

One piece of advice I would give you if you go with an MM3 solution (or similar - device that's on the dash), is to backup the sd card (you put into the MMX device - that holds all of your programming) on your PC once you get it installed and working. Reason: if that SD card ever goes bad you can replace your program on another SD card easily and without additional expense of going back to the source to get another one.

Last option I thought I would mention is there used to be a solution out there that was basically a cap kit for all the wiring harness connections you are going to unplug to do the delete. This cap kit seals the connectors on your harness so if you ever need to go back, the connector is clean and usable. Road grim is an amazing thing over time. Not necessary if you never plan to go back after the delete, but keeps that option open if you want it.

Hope this is helpful to someone!

 

[tjfdesmo]

At least there is no costly ECM swap required to delete a 2015.

 

[BossHogg]

No idea what parts you are having to wait on . Making a guess here , I'm thinking the recall may have created the shortage here ??

I listed the work order and the Mopar part numbers in post 10. It is interesting that if you search for any of the Mopar part numbers, the parts are available on many sites. Apparently, the parts are not available to dealers. From my perspective, making parts unavailable, particulay the parts need to fix the 67A screw up, is a method used to discourage folks like me from keeping what I have and replacing. I have a feeling the lack of parts is purposeful because they know the fix isn't a blast of the parts cannon, so why invest the money in warranty parts when they know the outcome? They may have chosen to sit on it and let time cure the problem.

I've read plenty of posts where folks have much newer vehicles sitting at dealers waiting several months for parts. I don't know if any of these posts are true, but mine is.

Even if I decided to throw in the towel and buy a new tow vehicle, what would I buy? GM, exploding engine oil coolers, transmission lock-ups, a MAF sensor clogging, no thanks. Ford, plastic charge pipe failures, leaky oil pan, and sensor failures, plus they are on the threshold of setting a global record for the most vehicles ever recalled by a manufacturer. And then there is RAM, and they are not showing me any concern that the truck they sold me can be used for the purpose it was built for. I'm not going to repeat a RAM experience.

Just airing out my frustrations.

 

[tjfdesmo]

I listed the work order and the Mopar part numbers in post 10. It is interesting that if you search for any of the Mopar part numbers, the parts are available on many sites. Apparently, the parts are not available to dealers. From my perspective, making parts unavailable, particulay the parts need to fix the 67A screw up, is a method used to discourage folks like me from keeping what I have and replacing. I have a feeling the lack of parts is purposeful because they know the fix isn't a blast of the parts cannon, so why invest the money in warranty parts when they know the outcome? They may have chosen to sit on it and let time cure the problem.

I've read plenty of posts where folks have much newer vehicles sitting at dealers waiting several months for parts. I don't know if any of these posts are true, but mine is.

Even if I decided to throw in the towel and buy a new tow vehicle, what would I buy? GM, exploding engine oil coolers, transmission lock-ups, a MAF sensor clogging, no thanks. Ford, plastic charge pipe failures, leaky oil pan, and sensor failures, plus they are on the threshold of setting a global record for the most vehicles ever recalled by a manufacturer. And then there is RAM, and they are not showing me any concern that the truck they sold me can be used for the purpose it was built for. I'm not going to repeat a RAM experience.

Just airing out my frustrations.

Agree on all points. I just got rid of my 2024, after being a Cummins fan since 1st Gen. Regens were getting more and more frequent despite idle time less than 4%, and lots of highway, almost no short trips. I was not willing to spend the $$$ for a ridiculous ECM swap to delete. Cummins has totally lost the plot, and Stellantis' parts situation is pretty awful. I actually had a Duramax on order before going back to Ram for the '24, due to GM's order allocation shenanigans. If I had to buy today, I hate to say I'd likely go Powerstroke. No toyhauler right now, so I am taking a break from the diesel world for a bit.