Incessant problems with 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie - Terrible Ownership Experience

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I don’t want to inflame things. I’m sure it will get worse when they find out I filed. I’ll swing past on my way home tonight to see if it’s been moved. No risk of a ticket here as it’s on their own lot...just find it funny that they’re parking customer vehicles there.


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I can't imagine that they will get too tweaked about you filing a Lemon Law case. That is why the dealer and corporate have lawyers. Your lawyer will talk to their lawyers and do lawyer things. Once they get to what they believe is reasonable, they will propose the solution to you.
 
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I can't imagine that they will get too tweaked about you filing a Lemon Law case. That is why the dealer and corporate have lawyers. Your lawyer will talk to their lawyers and do lawyer things. Once they get to what they believe is reasonable, they will propose the solution to you.

Yeah. Although the dealer doesn’t need a lawyer here. It’s all FCA. The sucky part is that for the next 3-5 months while this goes on I’ll have to keep making my payment.


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I've been down the lemon law road in Florida with Dodge back in 2000. They will play hard ball to the final moment. I stood my ground and literally the day before the hearing they called me and offerred to buy the truck back for what I paid for it and everything that I done to the truck lift tires and wheels they paid me for as long as I had the receipt. Each state is different and Florida leaned towards the consumer. Stick to your guns.
 
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I've been down the lemon law road in Florida with Dodge back in 2000. They will play hard ball to the final moment. I stood my ground and literally the day before the hearing they called me and offerred to buy the truck back for what I paid for it and everything that I done to the truck lift tires and wheels they paid me for as long as I had the receipt. Each state is different and Florida leaned towards the consumer. Stick to your guns.

Lawyer seems to think it's pretty clear cut. I had talked to them a few years back about a problem I was having with a different car and they told me I didn't have a case, and the car eventually got fixed. When I talked to them this time, they were pretty sure I had a strong case that will even favorably for me, although they can never say for sure.
 
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Welp....it's 330pm the day before a long holiday weekend....still no contact from FCA or the dealer. I did stop by the dealer yesterday and ask for my keys to get my stuff (really I just wanted the boat load of repair orders in my glove box). My truck still had not moved....the service writer gave me a big greeting, but really he seemed uncomfortable. I said "no return call..no return email? What's going on?" He said "well, it's all parts" whatever that means, and I just replied "Totally unacceptable. I have nothing else to say...get me my keys." That was literally the extent of the conversation. My truck still hasn't moved as of today. It's spent a total of 16 days in service since I purchased it on 12/15 (including tomorrow since it's a holiday) and I imagine it will continue. I'll be up to 20 days assuming they do nothing on Friday and keep it until Monday afternoon at the earliest. This is the craziest customer service and repair fail I think I've experienced in my auto buying history over 25 years.
 
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Interestingly enough, FCA called me right after I posted this. She said she’s been unable to reach anybody at the dealer and they haven’t returned her calls either since last Friday, but she cannot do anything until she speaks to them. Unbelievable.


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Interestingly enough, FCA called me right after I posted this. She said she’s been unable to reach anybody at the dealer and they haven’t returned her calls either since last Friday, but she cannot do anything until she speaks to them. Unbelievable.


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Start asking for conference calls between you, FCA and the GM of the dealer.
 
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They said they won’t do that.


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Good luck with this mess and let us all know the name of the dealer who has your truck.
 
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Brown Daub in Easton, PA.


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I had a successful Lemon Law case in Maryland a number of years ago for a leaking sunroof. In MD you have to go to arbitration first. The decision is binding on the manufacturer but not the buyer. I had to go to 4 arbitration hearings in total. Each hearing was after an unsuccessful repair. At the final hearing the arbitrator said she wanted to go through a car wash to see if it was fixed. We went through the car wash and the sunroof started dripping on her lap. I looked over and said, "That is what I am talking about". We went back to meeting room and she ruled in my favor. The manufacturer tried to offer the depreciated value of the car. The arbitrator showed them the statue where it said the full value paid to the dealer, no depreciation, wear and tear, etc. This whole process took nearly 1 year. A week later, I went by the dealer where they had me turn in the vehicle and it was on their used car lot for sale!
 
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Time for a good ole EECB - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/05/...umer-self-advocacy-tool-youve-never-used.html

Make sure the dealer people are on it too so they can see you aren't going to take it sitting down.

This is how I got in touch with the FCA corporate offices to start with. I emailed the three or four top execs at FCA (I BCC’d them) on my email to the dealer and Mike Manley’s exec assistant called me within 2 hours. Now I feel like I’m being even more penalized for it though as the FCA woman told me dealers are told to prioritize customers standing in front of them over customers who’ve gotten corporate involved. Sounds like a stall tactic on FCA’s part to delay the inevitable.


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This is how I got in touch with the FCA corporate offices to start with. I emailed the three or four top execs at FCA (I BCC’d them) on my email to the dealer and Mike Manley’s exec assistant called me within 2 hours. Now I feel like I’m being even more penalized for it though as the FCA woman told me dealers are told to prioritize customers standing in front of them over customers who’ve gotten corporate involved. Sounds like a stall tactic on FCA’s part to delay the inevitable.


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Unfortunately that seems pretty common around here. Stalling, "oh we never heard from .... and we cant do anything until we do", etc.

Like they are just wearing you down so you give up and take the truck back the way it is, then sell it yourself and take the loss so they dont have to.
 

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I'd add a call recorder app to your phone just for statements like that. As long as it's legal in your state and if it's a 2 party state then inform them that they are on a recorded line. Not legal advice just a suggestion.
 
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I'd add a call recorder app to your phone just for statements like that. As long as it's legal in your state and if it's a 2 party state then inform them that they are on a recorded line.

When you say that they hang up.


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Cuz they know that what they are going to say is ******** and don't want to get called out on it in court or corporate.

Glad you got an attorney, your wife and kids deserve your attention.
 
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Unfortunately that seems pretty common around here. Stalling, "oh we never heard from .... and we cant do anything until we do", etc.

Like they are just wearing you down so you give up and take the truck back the way it is, then sell it yourself and take the loss so they dont have to.

Well that’s not going to happen and I think they know that. It’s tallied 16 days in service since I bought it and reminded the FCA woman of that. I think she knew what I was talking about. Once it hits 30 days it’s a gimme for lemon law. It already pretty much is anyway but more piled on helps.


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The unfortunate result of this type of product failure and insensitive customer service, is more consumers hating the American big three auto makers. (Not sure you can say FCA is American today) The conflict in this example and what puts the customer in the middle, like every other example like it, begins with the assembly plant and company policy. When the truck comes off the assembly line, it must "only" start, run, stop, turn and get on the train. If there are dead rats under the seat, shorted wires or tires with the sides bulging out,,,it goes on the train. Let the dealer fix it. The dealer on the other hand has just as much hate for assembly and Corp. They are expected to take the customer hate, factory defects and design problems and,,,,fix them. Not their job or role.
Given that management knows that this business model, disrespect for the customer and a lack of pride in the product is not going to change, clearly says we need much better lemon laws in many of our states. Or maybe a federal lemon law that reports the numbers to the public.
 

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