Oil Filter Thread

[corneileous]

Efficiency is for engine wear and power loss reduction . Lake Speed did video with Donaldson showing correlation. How much more engine life? I don't know. Whatever it is I'll pay $5 more per filter a couple of times a year for it. Yeah, and pre-fill the filter. With a sideways filter, prefill it, let it soak, pour out free oil, install. Unsaturated filter media is what mostly slows oil flow through a new filter.

Yeah I’ve heard of some of Lake Speed’s stuff and the Donaldson filtration videos. The correlation between smaller particles and wear makes sense in theory. I guess the part I’m still curious about is how much of that benefit actually shows up in a real engine when the oil is already being changed around 5k miles.

From the UOAs I’ve done on my truck, even with a standard Mopar filter or something like a Wix XP, the insolubles and wear metals were still right in line with averages at about a 5k OCI. So it seems like the oil is already staying pretty clean at that interval.

I’m not against running the higher efficiency filters at all; if it gives someone extra peace of mind that’s great, I’ve just been wondering how much practical difference it makes when the oil is getting changed before the filter is anywhere near its limit.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yeah, you don't need to jack up or ramp a truck to change oil, usually. Which is great. My last upgrade to the shop was going to be a lift, never got around to it.

Also, back to filters, most of engine wear is due to particles in the 5-20 micron range (according to Lake's tests). Why? they are big enough to get between many moving machine surfaces but not flow through it. So they scrape on the moving metal. Bigger particles can't enter, smaller particles flow through. Where do these come from in an engine? Well, mostly for the 1st 50,000 miles, then it kind of slow. But - airborne dust is a huge wear mechanism. Quality air filters matter a lot. Wix used to be very good. Who knows anymore? Wix was bought up by Mann-Hummel and the cost reductions promptly began.

 

[corneileous]

Yeah, you don't need to jack up or ramp a truck to change oil, usually. Which is great. My last upgrade to the shop was going to be a lift, never got around to it.

Also, back to filters, most of engine wear is due to particles in the 5-20 micron range (according to Lake's tests). Why? they are big enough to get between many moving machine surfaces but not flow through it. So they scrape on the moving metal. Bigger particles can't enter, smaller particles flow through. Where do these come from in an engine? Well, mostly for the 1st 50,000 miles, then it kind of slow. But - airborne dust is a huge wear mechanism. Quality air filters matter a lot. Wix used to be very good. Who knows anymore? Wix was bought up by Mann-Hummel and the cost reductions promptly began.

Out of curiosity, what changes have you seen with Wix since Mann+Hummel bought them? I’ve seen people mention that before but I’ve never really seen specifics on what actually changed in the filters themselves.

I’ve used the Wix XP line for several intervals and my UOAs have always come back with low insolubles and normal wear metals, so at least from that standpoint they’ve seemed to be doing their job. Just wondering if there’s something measurable that changed in the construction or media.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yeah I’ve heard of some of Lake Speed’s stuff and the Donaldson filtration videos. The correlation between smaller particles and wear makes sense in theory. I guess the part I’m still curious about is how much of that benefit actually shows up in a real engine when the oil is already being changed around 5k miles.

From the UOAs I’ve done on my truck, even with a standard Mopar filter or something like a Wix XP, the insolubles and wear metals were still right in line with averages at about a 5k OCI. So it seems like the oil is already staying pretty clean at that interval.

I’m not against running the higher efficiency filters at all; if it gives someone extra peace of mind that’s great, I’ve just been wondering how much practical difference it makes when the oil is getting changed before the filter is anywhere near its limit.

Define practical.

 

[corneileous]

Define practical.

By practical I just mean measurable real-world impact. For example, things that would show up in UOAs like lower wear metals or lower insolubles over time.

In my case the reports I’ve done at around a 5k OCI have looked good with several different filters, including the Mopar and Wix XP. So the oil already seems to be staying pretty clean at that interval.

That’s why I was curious how much difference the ultra-high efficiency filters actually make in a typical engine when the oil is getting changed well before the filter is near capacity.

 

[MontanaHandyman]

Efficiency is for engine wear and power loss reduction . Lake Speed did video with Donaldson showing correlation. How much more engine life? I don't know. Whatever it is I'll pay $5 more per filter a couple of times a year for it. Yeah, and pre-fill the filter. With a sideways filter, prefill it, let it soak, pour out free oil, install. Unsaturated filter media is what mostly slows oil flow through a new filter.

Wait... you... prefill yer filter?!? GASP!!

 

[HEMIMANN]

Interesting - a 2nd shipment of remaining Fleetguard Oil Filters arrived today. But these had all adhesive labels, the 4 I received yesterday had inked printing on the canister. Both are labeled Made in USA.

Anyway, I got 10, I use 2 per year. Whatever they are, I have some filters.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Wait... you... prefill yer filter?!? GASP!!

I can't think for myself. I do whatever Lake Speed Jr. tells me. I'm an Oil Geek Zombie

 

[MontanaHandyman]

I can't think for myself. I do whatever Lake Speed Jr. tells me. I'm an Oil Geek Zombie

Gotta luv listening to someone like him, who actually KNOWS what they're talking about!

 

[Grams]

Gotta luv listening to someone like him, who actually KNOWS what they're talking about!

Can’t stand the sound of his voice. Project Farm is #2.

 

[Curmudgeon]

@corneileous by the way and for what it's worth, I'm paying about $12 per filter for the Royal Purple 20-820.
You can buy filters for less, but not by much. Not much at all. Not even at Walmart.

 

[corneileous]

@corneileous by the way and for what it's worth, I'm paying about $12 per filter for the Royal Purple 20-820.
You can buy filters for less, but not by much. Not much at all. Not even at Walmart.

Well, that’s good. The Wix XP I bought for my oil change a couple of weekends ago, I spent about 10 bucks total on Amazon. Sure, I could’ve drove into town and got it a little bit cheaper at my local O’Reillys but I was just being lazy… Lol. Besides, by the time I got ready to do my oil change, it already showed up at my doorstep.

The other day I was talking to a guy on Facebook who thought he was doing something really innovative talking up that SRT filter so much and said that he paid nearly $30 for that thing from rock auto… Lol.

 

[06 Dodge]

Ok, I did not know Cummins completely divorced itself from Atmus & Fleetguard. Atmus is now a stand-alone entity, supposedly, even though for now Cummins still only buys Fleetguard-branded filters from Atmus. I saw some other reports that Atmus is using the previous Lake Mills, Iowa Fleetguard filtration manufacturing plant.
More executives subtracting product value by playing financial games to get richer. Probably rehired poor farm boys at minimum wage, and such. Fuch those guys.

Atmus Becomes a Fully Independent Company Following Final Separation from Cummins | Atmus

NASHVILLE, Tenn - Atmus Filtration Technologies Inc. (NYSE: ATMU) (“Atmus”) today announced its separation from Cummins Inc. (“Cummins”), marking Atmus’ first

www.atmus.com

I have doubts they hired farm boys, back when my cousin worked at the Lake Mills plant they were hiring 98% of people who did not speak english (paid them a lower wage than US citizens) and I am not talking people just from south america, more soviet block then from MX, oh they then paid them to learn how to speak english

 

[GeauxinUp]

Getting ready to do my first oil change (2500 miles) on my HO. Gonna stick with PUP 0W-40 for now, but trying to decide which filter to use. @Burla mentioned not using a paper filter (mopar) with this engine, and I've been looking around trying to decide which route to go. I was using the Fram FE2 in my 5.7, so I figured I'd give the Fram FE10575 a try...problem is, I can't find the damn thing anywhere.
Anybody have any input on the Wix WL10255XP, or any other suggestions?

And, before anybody says anything about the early OCI..my plan is 2500 (Blackstone analysis), then 5k, and every 5k after.

 

[Burla]

Getting ready to do my first oil change (2500 miles) on my HO. Gonna stick with PUP 0W-40 for now, but trying to decide which filter to use. @Burla mentioned not using a paper filter (mopar) with this engine, and I've been looking around trying to decide which route to go. I was using the Fram FE2 in my 5.7, so I figured I'd give the Fram FE10575 a try...problem is, I can't find the damn thing anywhere.
Anybody have any input on the Wix WL10255XP, or any other suggestions?

And, before anybody says anything about the early OCI..my plan is 2500 (Blackstone analysis), then 5k, and every 5k after.

at this point I like this filter as my top choice with current info PBL24651, you can go back a couple pages and see more. See graph, it isn't as good as previous top choices but nothing better in the main stream with dwindling supply on previous favorites. There is a filter fleetguard with potential as well, but this is my main stream choice at 15 bucks I would buy it. I think once the word got out literally here at Ram forum wally sold out the multi's on fe2, if it comes back and it might, that would be my first.

it does look like here you can get 3 packs fe2 now, last ones that will be available and no guarantee someone didn't swap the filter out.

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[Grams]

So… rather than a farm-boy-to-riches story… I suggest a Rich-Man-to-Guaranteed-Richer story.

One way to make imaginary-money into Real-Money…. Invest in a stock that’s growing and become a Board-Member/Director, receiving bonus payments of company Stock. Get influential, moneyed friends to invest as it grows, while enjoying dividends and use of the company jet.
Later, (as Director) vote to “spin-off” certain minor-operation/division into a separate company. (The new company already has a ready, cash-paying customer …the parent….which guarantees success.)
Finance the new company with 5-million of parent-co stocks which you already own in a blind-trust…. Re-Label them as 67-million new-co-stocks (thereby DE-valuing them in order to provide large-growth-potential while attracting ordinary “little-people” who can now “afford” to invest…. Being encouraged by inside-trader investment-advisors and stock-brokers who were already “in-the-game-early” and seeking to inflate their own new stock values:
Voila! For YOU….more Instant Wealth! “Lookit That Growth!”

Next move: Off-shore-production to reduce costs for increased profits. (Gotta do sumpin’ about those pesky tariffs…. a PAC perhaps…? )

 

[GeauxinUp]

at this point I like this filter as my top choice with current info PBL24651, you can go back a couple pages and see more. See graph, it isn't as good as previous top choices but nothing better in the main stream with dwindling supply on previous favorites. There is a filter fleetguard with potential as well, but this is my main stream choice at 15 bucks I would buy it. I think once the word got out literally here at Ram forum wally sold out the multi's on fe2, if it comes back and it might, that would be my first.

it does look like here you can get 3 packs fe2 now, last ones that will be available and no guarantee someone didn't swap the filter out.

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Guess I should’ve been more clear, the 5.7 is gone. I’m talking about my High Output Hurricane. FE2 won’t fit.
You like the Purolator huh?

 

[Burla]

= PBL22500 for the hurricane.

 

[GeauxinUp]

= PBL22500 for the hurricane.

Ordered 2 last night off Amazon...$10/each with a $2 coupon.

 

[Biggfoot44]

you really can’t go wrong with the 57060XP.

Good to get confirmation, since the ( rare in my area overall ) local O Rielly stocks them , along with Restore & Protect . ( And good oil selection generally )