Oil Filter Thread

[Black1500Ram]

Maybe Ram Gen IV and V have totally different packaging?

oh I was responding to Travis - I think his is an 18.

 

[JB Weld]

How can the 20-500 not fit? We have people running them for years and the oil filter data says it does cross reference. It is a hair smaller then the small 10-48, so literally the only way it wouldnt fit is length, but what it is hitting? any pics? Is someone saying there is a reason the 20-500 doesnt fit other then it is too long? Anyone else other then one m,ember have it not fit? The length is preventing you from being able to spin it on? can you expand on that?

I wish I had time to dig this out of the garbage and mock up for a picture. I barely have time to change my oil these days.

It is too long and can't even get it in straight enough to start threads. The power steering rack prevents this.

Could have something to do with it being sold in Canadian market? Plant built? Being a "Classic"? Not sure. I'll see if I can get a picture and maybe a measurement of clearance with the filter that is in there now.

 

[Wild one]

I wish I had time to dig this out of the garbage and mock up for a picture. I barely have time to change my oil these days.

It is too long and can't even get it in straight enough to start threads. The power steering rack prevents this.

Could have something to do with it being sold in Canadian market? Plant built? Being a "Classic"? Not sure. I'll see if I can get a picture and maybe a measurement of clearance with the filter that is in there now.

Canadian truck would have nothing to do with the the way the oil filter fits. Are you sure you had the right filter?

 

[Burla]

I wish I had time to dig this out of the garbage and mock up for a picture. I barely have time to change my oil these days.

It is too long and can't even get it in straight enough to start threads. The power steering rack prevents this.

Could have something to do with it being sold in Canadian market? Plant built? Being a "Classic"? Not sure. I'll see if I can get a picture and maybe a measurement of clearance with the filter that is in there now.

sorry to hear that, you are travis are the first two to complain about it. safe bet for ram forum is to use something else despite what the fitament show. If no 20-820 go to the fram ultra.

 

[Travis8352]

sorry to hear that, you are travis are the first two to complain about it. safe bet for ram forum is to use something else despite what the fitament show. If no 20-820 go to the fram ultra.

I guess for the record ive never tried to fit one. I went right to the 20-820 size but in a wix xp... i know i know i got 5 old style wire backed ultra xg2s ready to go lol. Looking right now i think i could actually fit it on my 4th gen. More room lenth wise then i remember. My issue would be getting it in position but i think the xg2 is going to be a task to but ill overcome that issue.

 

[tul9033]

I received my RP 20-500 today and disappointed to see louvers instead of holes inside.
I think I'll use up my old version Fram Ultra XG10060's. I also have some old Stock Napa Platnium filters that are Wix XP clones before they changed them.
The RP 20-500 does match the Amsoil EA017 size specs exactly 4.45 x 2.96 dia 6 holes.

	FRAM ULTRA XG10060	FRAM ULTRA XG10575	FRAM ULTRA XG2	Royal Purple 20-500	NAPA Platinum 47045	NAPA Platinum 41372	Amsoil EA017
Height	3.33	4.06	3.984	4.45	4.828	3.836	4.45
Inside Diameter	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22x1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5
Outside Diameter	3	2.984	2.813	2.96	2.939	3.668	2.96
Anti-Drainback Valve	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES
By-Pass Valve Setting	9-15	16-28	12	18-24	12-15	22	18-24
Base Gasket I.D.	2.45	2.454	2.422	2.39	2.458	2.462	2.39
Base Gasket O.D.	2.76	2.756	2.813	2.76	2.741	2.834	2.76

 

[tul9033]

Use the biggest that fits that's available, is the point, within the synthetic media filter class.
For me, my only choice is 20-500.
For guys who can squeeze in a 20-820, I'd go to Fram XG2 next, then RP 20-500, then Fram XG 10060, in order of availability.

That's all this is about. Supply shortages for who knows what reasons.

The FRAM ULTRA XG10575 is a bit bigger than the XG2 and the gasket is nearly the same size as the stock 10060.

	FRAM ULTRA XG10060	FRAM ULTRA XG10575	FRAM ULTRA XG2	Royal Purple 20-500	NAPA Platinum 47045	NAPA Platinum 41372	Amsoil EA017
Height	3.33	4.06	3.984	4.45	4.828	3.836	4.45
Inside Diameter	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22x1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5
Outside Diameter	3	2.984	2.813	2.96	2.939	3.668	2.96
Anti-Drainback Valve	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES
By-Pass Valve Setting	9-15	16-28	12	18-24	12-15	22	18-24
Base Gasket I.D.	2.45	2.454	2.422	2.39	2.458	2.462	2.39
Base Gasket O.D.	2.76	2.756	2.813	2.76	2.741	2.834	2.76

 

[Burla]

I received my RP 20-500 today and disappointed to see louvers instead of holes inside.
I think I'll use up my old version Fram Ultra XG10060's. I also have some old Stock Napa Platnium filters that are Wix XP clones before they changed them.
The RP 20-500 does match the Amsoil EA017 size specs exactly 4.45 x 2.96 dia 6 holes.

	FRAM ULTRA XG10060	FRAM ULTRA XG10575	FRAM ULTRA XG2	Royal Purple 20-500	NAPA Platinum 47045	NAPA Platinum 41372	Amsoil EA017
Height	3.33	4.06	3.984	4.45	4.828	3.836	4.45
Inside Diameter	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22x1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5
Outside Diameter	3	2.984	2.813	2.96	2.939	3.668	2.96
Anti-Drainback Valve	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES
By-Pass Valve Setting	9-15	16-28	12	18-24	12-15	22	18-24
Base Gasket I.D.	2.45	2.454	2.422	2.39	2.458	2.462	2.39
Base Gasket O.D.	2.76	2.756	2.813	2.76	2.741	2.834	2.76

I'm curious why you don't prefer louvers to holes, are you sure those holes allow more flow?

 

[tul9033]

I'm curious why you don't prefer louvers to holes, are you sure those holes allow more flow?

In some of the filter cut videos it was pointed out the louvers had very small openings most likely due to stamping, almost like they were smashed closed. I know you prefer more inlet holes, I liken the holes vs louvers in the center tube being based on the same principle. My logic is there is more opening surface area with holes vs louvers.

 

[HEMIMANN]

The FRAM ULTRA XG10575 is a bit bigger than the XG2 and the gasket is nearly the same size as the stock 10060.

	FRAM ULTRA XG10060	FRAM ULTRA XG10575	FRAM ULTRA XG2	Royal Purple 20-500	NAPA Platinum 47045	NAPA Platinum 41372	Amsoil EA017
Height	3.33	4.06	3.984	4.45	4.828	3.836	4.45
Inside Diameter	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22x1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5
Outside Diameter	3	2.984	2.813	2.96	2.939	3.668	2.96
Anti-Drainback Valve	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES
By-Pass Valve Setting	9-15	16-28	12	18-24	12-15	22	18-24
Base Gasket I.D.	2.45	2.454	2.422	2.39	2.458	2.462	2.39
Base Gasket O.D.	2.76	2.756	2.813	2.76	2.741	2.834	2.76

Not by surface area, if you go back and look at my data. You can just compare length or diameter - you have to compare the surface area = PI * d * h (circumference length times height). This provides the relative difference in filter areas, though of course, the actual data is the canister. Canister diameter should be closely proportional to the filter media area, sans pleats.

Unless somebody cuts all these filters open and measures each media filter area. And even then, as we've pointed out, if the filtration efficiency is low, it's fairly useless filter anyway.

 

[tul9033]

Not by surface area, if you go back and look at my data. You can just compare length or diameter - you have to compare the surface area = PI * d * h (circumference length times height). This provides the relative difference in filter areas, though of course, the actual data is the canister. Canister diameter should be closely proportional to the filter media area, sans pleats.

Unless somebody cuts all these filters open and measures each media filter area. And even then, as we've pointed out, if the filtration efficiency is low, it's fairly useless filter anyway.

Are you saying you are using the can dimensions to determine filter material surface area? If so, the can dimensions of the XG10575 is larger in every dimension than the XG2. Can you show your math for the 2 filters as an example?

 

[Burla]

Cartridge filters show us what canister filters media is like without cutting them open, just like when you cut open canister filters the media is the same as the cartridge filters in the same brand. Royal Purple has the lowest pleats counts and surface area when compared to most filters the same size as reported in that other thread. The difference is how thick the pleats are, it is what is never shown that is the most relevant info. Apparently RP's best feature the thick loose media shows up nowhere except in ram forum's oil filter thread If the media is thicker, you will have less pleats and smaller surface area, if you measure surface area on a linear basis. You see the cost to having large thin surface area on page 93.


wix xp

 

[EdGs]

The FRAM ULTRA XG10575 is a bit bigger than the XG2 and the gasket is nearly the same size as the stock 10060.

	FRAM ULTRA XG10060	FRAM ULTRA XG10575	FRAM ULTRA XG2	Royal Purple 20-500	NAPA Platinum 47045	NAPA Platinum 41372	Amsoil EA017
Height	3.33	4.06	3.984	4.45	4.828	3.836	4.45
Inside Diameter	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22x1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5	M22-1.5
Outside Diameter	3	2.984	2.813	2.96	2.939	3.668	2.96
Anti-Drainback Valve	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES	YES
By-Pass Valve Setting	9-15	16-28	12	18-24	12-15	22	18-24
Base Gasket I.D.	2.45	2.454	2.422	2.39	2.458	2.462	2.39
Base Gasket O.D.	2.76	2.756	2.813	2.76	2.741	2.834	2.76

I believe your chart is wrong. The OD on the Fram XG2 is a bit bigger than 2.813.

From the Fram site:



XG2 O.D. is 3.656 vs. 2.984 for the XG10575

I just put an XG2 on my '15, and I had an old used XG10575 in my used filter bucket. XG2 has much bigger OD than XG10575

 

[HEMIMANN]

Are you saying you are using the can dimensions to determine filter material surface area? If so, the can dimensions of the XG10575 is larger in every dimension than the XG2. Can you show your math for the 2 filters as an example?

I am saying I use the can dimensions to approximate the DIFFERENCE between the filters in terms of area. Search for my post. I put the math above already.

 

[EdGs]

@HEMIMANN, I will look and see if i still have the XG10575, so I can cut it open and measure the media surface area. I don't have an XG2 yet, as its freshly installed on my Ram.

The XG2 definately has a bigger volume than the XG10575 and 20-500 based on can size.

XG2 = 22.879 in3
20-500 = 20.691 in3
XG10575 = 19.030 in3

XG2 can volume is 10% larger than 20-500
XG2 can volume is 20% larger than XG10575

Pending measurement of actual filter media

 

[HEMIMANN]

@HEMIMANN, I will look and see if i still have the XG10575, so I can cut it open and measure the media surface area. I don't have an XG2 yet, as its freshly installed on my Ram.

The XG2 definately has a bigger volume than the XG10575 and 20-500 based on can size.

XG2 = 22.879 in3
20-500 = 20.691 in3
XG10575 = 19.030 in3

XG2 can volume is 10% larger than 20-500
XG2 can volume is 20% larger than XG10575

Pending measurement of actual filter media

Yes, the Fram XG2 is similar to the Royal Purple 20-820

The Fram XG10575 is similar to the Royal Purple 20-500

You'll find that information in my write up earlier. I've re-posted it several times.

 

[Burn2k12Ram]

Yes, the Fram XG2 is similar to the Royal Purple 20-820

The Fram XG10575 is similar to the Royal Purple 20-500

You'll find that information in my write up earlier. I've re-posted it several times.

Perhaps repost that chart every couple pages lol. Same questions and confusion seem to happen many times in this thread lol.

 

[Black1500Ram]

Perhaps repost that chart every couple pages lol. Same questions and confusion seem to happen many times in this thread lol.

Right!? Every time I see these questions I’m just like, this is a person who’s never held these filters in their hands.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Perhaps repost that chart every couple pages lol. Same questions and confusion seem to happen many times in this thread lol.

Depends on what kind of day I'm having if I look it up for somebody else yet again, whey they're perfectly able to search for it too.

Today, I helped dig out a stump, so feeling mighty gnarly.

 

[tul9033]

I believe your chart is wrong. The OD on the Fram XG2 is a bit bigger than 2.813.

From the Fram site:

XG2 O.D. is 3.656 vs. 2.984 for the XG10575

I just put an XG2 on my '15, and I had an old used XG10575 in my used filter bucket. XG2 has much bigger OD than XG10575

Yes, the data is in fact incorrect according to the website today. I made my chart about a year ago from the Fram website and it doesn't match that today. It's been corrected.