Oil Filter Thread

[Hemi395]

Did you find any data for SRT filter?

I did find some good info on it on a challenger forum, ill see if I can find it again...

 

[Burla]

No specs, some cutaways and youtubes on it.

 

[Hemi395]

Found it, here's the quote from that forum.

The SRT oil filter for all the past engines and the new 22mm inlet SRT filter for the Gen 4 and beyond engines share the same characteristics.
We worked with many of the filter suppliers to get the best features. Some fell out for various performance reasons but we ended up developing the current SRT filters with one of the mainstream manufacturers (it is different than their commercial offerings - or at least was when we developed it). The high flow oil pumps in our large engines (Viper is the biggest) can overpower the internal relief valve. When this valve opens it allows some of the high pressure dirty oil to bypass the filter element in order to keep the filter from being damaged. The SRT filters do indeed have a higher differential bypass valve to make sure all the oil delivered to your powerplant is clean. The housing is slightly thicker than many of the brands out there to handle the pressure but is not the thickest. The real thick ones failed our development testing (fractured at the crimped flange). The media used was one of the latest synthetics that allowed very fine filtration, more debris capacity, and much lower restriction than our standard Mopar filter (and just about every other filter out there). The final result was clean oil to your Snake, all the time, with more pressure to the internals where it is needed.

 

[hemihustlin]

long time user of fram ultra here. over 120k kms of use on my 2006 5.7
extended intervals too (almost 2 years and 44k kms on my last filter before I traded it in haha)
Aiming for 1 year ~20k km intervals with the new truck.
oil is changed every 5 to 8k kms
no problems to report, last one still said made in USA!

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

I run the SRT filter on every Ram. I currently am running the SRT on my 5.7 with edlebrock supercharger at 5 to 6 lbs of boost.

My lowest warm oil pressure in 10k miles is 46, my highest is 62 at full boost and at 5.5k rpm. My filter is also remotely mounted using an improved racing mount and braided lines.

I'm running redline 5w30.

The SRT filters work on my normally aspirated 2016 5.7, my daughters 5.7 AWD Durango RT, and my 150k 2011 5.7 4x4 ram crew cab. I'm on 8k OCI except the supercharger which is 5k OCI.

It's available via Amazon or from the dealer, it works.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Found it, here's the quote from that forum.

The SRT oil filter for all the past engines and the new 22mm inlet SRT filter for the Gen 4 and beyond engines share the same characteristics.
We worked with many of the filter suppliers to get the best features. Some fell out for various performance reasons but we ended up developing the current SRT filters with one of the mainstream manufacturers (it is different than their commercial offerings - or at least was when we developed it). The high flow oil pumps in our large engines (Viper is the biggest) can overpower the internal relief valve. When this valve opens it allows some of the high pressure dirty oil to bypass the filter element in order to keep the filter from being damaged. The SRT filters do indeed have a higher differential bypass valve to make sure all the oil delivered to your powerplant is clean. The housing is slightly thicker than many of the brands out there to handle the pressure but is not the thickest. The real thick ones failed our development testing (fractured at the crimped flange). The media used was one of the latest synthetics that allowed very fine filtration, more debris capacity, and much lower restriction than our standard Mopar filter (and just about every other filter out there). The final result was clean oil to your Snake, all the time, with more pressure to the internals where it is needed.

"We"? You worked @ Chrysler??

If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing, you spec'd and / or tested for sufficient filtration media surface area to provide enough contaminant capacity for at least a normal OCI?

 

[Hemi395]

"We"? You worked @ Chrysler??

If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing, you spec'd and / or tested for sufficient filtration media surface area to provide enough contaminant capacity for at least a normal OCI?

Lol no not me, that was quoted from a challenger forum. Supposedly that was from a chrysler engineer....

 

[HTXRamExp]

For my last oil change (red line 5w-30), I switched from the RP 10-48 to the RP 20-820 filter.

Definitely took more patience to maneuver the larger filter in place.

Also did some other cooling mods (180* coolant thermostat, AGS delete, V8 stock fans deleted, V6 stock fan installed, trans heater by-pass thermostat installed) so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but no significant change in observed operating pressures.

Before


After

Curious to see if the filter has any effect on extended (4 weeks +) shut off times and first start.

 

[Burla]

Good info, looks like 55psi regardless.

 

[Hemi395]

For my last oil change (red line 5w-30), I switched from the RP 10-48 to the RP 20-820 filter.

Definitely took more patience to maneuver the larger filter in place.

Also did some other cooling mods (180* coolant thermostat, AGS delete, V8 stock fans deleted, V6 stock fan installed, trans heater by-pass thermostat installed) so it's not an apples to apples comparison, but no significant change in observed operating pressures.
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After

Curious to see if the filter has any effect on extended (4 weeks +) shut off times and first start.

Great info, thanks for posting.

And wow those trans temps are lower now, that bypass is a must for 8 speeds....

 

[British Bulldog]

From a previous post

 

[HEMIMANN]

Ok, I'm planning fall already, since we're socked in with wildfire smoke. The oil filter questions got me going again, so I started looking up premium oil filters for Ram 6.4L Hemi Engines. I went to individual part pages to gather these data. Remember, nobody publishes filtration media surface area these days, so this is a GUIDE to use for relative media sizing, the goal being lowest flow resistance while retaining good filtration contaminant efficiency.

All of these filters have the same spud threads 22mm x 1.5mm, all have an anti-drainback valve and a pressure relief valve. All have synthetic media of some sort.

Stock Filter recommendations: (similar canister volume)

Fram Ultra XG10060
Gasket I.D. 2.45 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.76 in.
Canister O.D. 3.00 in.
Canister Height 3.33 in.

Royal Purple 10-48
Gasket I.D. 2.350 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.720 in.
Canister O.D. 2.980 in.
Canister Height 3.400 in.

Extended Length* Filter recommendation (long canister, same diameter)

Fram Ultra XG10575
Gasket I.D. 2.454 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.756
Canister O.D. 2.984 in.
Canister Height 4.06 in.
*added canister surface area +23% compared to stock filters

Royal Purple 20-500
Gasket I.D. 2.350 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.720 in.
Canister O.D. 2.980 in.
Canister Height 4.500 in.
*added canister surface area +32% compared to stock filters

Extended Length & Diameter* Filter recommendations:

Fram Ultra XG2
Gasket I.D. 2.422 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.813 in.
Canister O.D. 3.656 in.
Canister Height 3.984 in.
*added canister surface area +44% compared to stock filters

Royal Purple 20-820
Gasket I.D. 2.420 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.810 in.
Canister O.D. 3.650 in.
Canister Height 3.750 in.
*added canister surface area +35% compared to stock filters

Mopar SRT MOP-05038041AA (data from Summit Racing Catalogue)
Gasket I.D. N/A
Gasket OD. N/A
Canister O.D. 3.650 in.
Canister Height 3.650 in.
*added canister surface area +31.5%

Notes: (1) in terms of surface area increase, this approximates the amount of % media area increase on the larger filters. (2) the Mopar SRT filter is the lowest surface area increase of the aftermarket filters, and therefore nothing special regarding this parameter (3) The oversize, larger diameter filters provide the most additional surface area, with Fram XG2 the clear winner due to the larger diameter and longest barrel length. (4) Royal Purple's biggest filter 80-820 provides only 3% more surface area than the long canister 20-500 that is easier to install. (5) based on all of this, I still recommend Royal Purple 20-500 for 1/3 more filtration area while retaining ease of installation.

 

[hemihustlin]

so hemiman got me interested in switching to the xg2. I went to the fram website to compare specs
looked at the xg2 everything seems nice go to the xg10060 (that im using now) the bypass pressure is 9 to 15
how can a bypass pressure be variable? or they just dont know what it is?
seems ridiculous but I know it goes on alot of cars so they want to be vague as possible Im guessing
all the more reason to move up to xg2 right!

 

[Team Horner]

Don’t forget the Fram Ultra that crosses to the RP 20-500. P/N: XG10575.

FRAM ULTRA® Spin-on Oil Filter XG10575 | FRAM

FRAM ULTRA® Spin-on Oil Filter XG10575

www.fram.com

The bypass on the Fram is 16-28psi and the 20-500 is 18-22psi (according to BITOG Post #35). Slightly higher than the other Fram and RP filters that fit our trucks.

 

[Travis8352]

Great info, thanks for posting.

And wow those trans temps are lower now, that bypass is a must for 8 speeds....

I need the bypass i think

Ok, I'm planning fall already, since we're socked in with wildfire smoke. The oil filter questions got me going again, so I started looking up premium oil filters for Ram 6.4L Hemi Engines. I went to individual part pages to gather these data. Remember, nobody publishes filtration media surface area these days, so this is a GUIDE to use for relative media sizing, the goal being lowest flow resistance while retaining good filtration contaminant efficiency.

All of these filters have the same spud threads 22mm x 1.5mm, all have an anti-drainback valve and a pressure relief valve. All have synthetic media of some sort.

Stock Filter recommendations: (similar canister volume)

Fram Ultra XG10060
Gasket I.D. 2.45 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.76 in.
Canister O.D. 3.00 in.
Canister Height 3.33 in.

Royal Purple 10-48
Gasket I.D. 2.350 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.720 in.
Canister O.D. 2.980 in.
Canister Height 3.400 in.

Extended Length* Filter recommendation (long canister, same diameter)

Royal Purple 20-500
Gasket I.D. 2.350 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.720 in.
Canister O.D. 2.980 in.
Canister Height 4.500 in.
*added canister surface area +32% compared to stock filters

Extended Length & Diameter* Filter recommendations:

Fram Ultra XG2
Gasket I.D. 2.422 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.813 in.
Canister O.D. 3.656 in.
Canister Height 3.984 in.
*added canister surface area +44% compared to stock filters

Royal Purple 20-820
Gasket I.D. 2.420 in.
Gasket O.D. 2.810 in.
Canister O.D. 3.650 in.
Canister Height 3.750 in.
*added canister surface area +35% compared to stock filters

Mopar SRT MOP-05038041AA (data from Summit Racing Catalogue)
Gasket I.D. N/A
Gasket OD. N/A
Canister O.D. 3.650 in.
Canister Height 3.650 in.
*added canister surface area +31.5%

Notes: (1) in terms of surface area increase, this approximates the amount of % media area increase on the larger filters. (2) the Mopar SRT filter is the lowest surface area increase of the aftermarket filters, and therefore nothing special regarding this parameter (3) The oversize, larger diameter filters provide the most additional surface area, with Fram XG2 the clear winner due to the larger diameter and longest barrel length. (4) Royal Purple's biggest filter 80-820 provides only 3% more surface area than the long canister 20-500 that is easier to install. (5) based on all of this, I still recommend Royal Purple 20-500 for 1/3 more filtration area while retaining ease of installation.

wildfire smoke got us to. Spent the past week in alaska though

 

[HEMIMANN]

Don’t forget the Fram Ultra that crosses to the RP 20-500. P/N: XG10575.

FRAM ULTRA® Spin-on Oil Filter XG10575 | FRAM

FRAM ULTRA® Spin-on Oil Filter XG10575

www.fram.com

The bypass on the Fram is 16-28psi and the 20-500 is 18-22psi (according to BITOG Post #35). Slightly higher than the other Fram and RP filters that fit our trucks.

Crap - wondered about that......these guys all pulled their catalogues so I couldn't find crosses anymore. Thx.

Edit - just looked it up, you're right, this looks to be the better specs. I'll add to my posting list above.
Edit x2 - Fram XG10575 isn't nearly as long as RP 20-500, and only provides 23% more canister area compared to 32% for RP. RP does not publish pressure relief valve setting. Regardless, I left my recommendation as-stands to Royal Purple 20-500 as the best all-around engine oil filter selection for HEMI engines.

 

[HEMIMANN]

so hemiman got me interested in switching to the xg2. I went to the fram website to compare specs
looked at the xg2 everything seems nice go to the xg10060 (that im using now) the bypass pressure is 9 to 15
how can a bypass pressure be variable? or they just dont know what it is?
seems ridiculous but I know it goes on alot of cars so they want to be vague as possible Im guessing
all the more reason to move up to xg2 right!

One says 9-15, the other says 12. My experience is marketing bulletins are typically sloppily-written by junior people. We strived hard at Cummins to stay on top of it, but relentless budget and people cutting caused us to fall in the same boat.

The published data tells me Fram has a lower set poppet valve, regardless of variability. I would prefer a higher pressure setting on a synthetic filter media because the flow rate should be better due to uniform porosity, as long as there's enough media surface area to provide for enough dirt holding capacity prior to valve opening, or slowing flow to valve train too much.

So, I'm looking for largest canister that's easiest to install, synthetic media, highest pressure relief valve setting. Then changing @ 5,000 miles regardless. A reminder that one doesn't have to be as picky with non-Hemi engines.....at least those without other lubrication problems.

 

[Travis8352]

im about to change my oil and i decided to look inside some of my old wix xp filters and noticed one looks different. Maybe its been covered before but its been over a year since i read this thread from start to finish but maybe someone else can better explain to me what the difference is since beyond filter media im as clueless about oil filters as any random guy off the streets.

the new filter is the wix xp 57899 i will be installing today and the used ones are both wix xp 57060. Ill post some pics of the purolatoe boss i used when i get er out

 

[Travis8352]

Also noticed different number of holes on each

 

[HEMIMANN]

Having worked for large corporations for years, I suspect a corporate cost reduction with "similar-to" performance. ha ha