Oil Filter Thread

[Burla]

I bought and ran one of the PBL24651 for one of my more recent OCIs.
I think JHoward was using them too, IIRC?
I was also running the RL 5w-30.

I never saw a big change in the UOA, and at least the oil pressure remained high just like with one of my RP 20-820 filters.

Then I saw that graph showing dismal filtering from Purolator Boss and never went back. I already had my 20-820 box 'o' filters anyway.

Its only dismal cause of the current better options, but when everything falls it might be the best left standing. Everything changes, some big name in auto industry will fill this vacuum my guess. Banks you listening? lol

But look again puro boss is 90% at 25 microns, could be worse. at 30 microns just as good as top filters, wix xp falls off the micron page at 90% at 50 microns and keeps going who knows how far, that is just horrible imo, last resort filter there. I might use paper on a 3 mos interval then that, I'd be tempted. Like cant those dummies just change, so frustrating. Go thick loose media you cant go wrong wix people.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I found this vid on a quick search for more info, posted here for your
vast amusement! Whip City Wrencher...

STP S2 Oil Filter vs. Fleetguard LF16002 Oil Filter Cut Open Comparison

Oil Filter Inspection.Today we'll compare an STP oil filter to a Fleetguard oil filter. Are these oil filters any good? Would you use them? Let's open them u...

www.youtube.com

 

[Burla]

Fleetguard looks nice, distr looks like a thing, amazon pricing weird.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Fleetguard looks nice, distr looks like a thing, amazon pricing weird.

The ShopCummins site was easy to use, fyi.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I hate this phone - I'd just finished typing to add this pic, and it wiped out everything I'd typed. Fuch.

Anyway, must have had local warehouse inventory, I received 4 of 10 ordered. Box & filters are labeled Made in USA. Are these that old of stock they were made before Fleetguard moved from Iowa to Mexico 10 years ago? Also, the shipping list states the filters are cellulose. It did not say that on the website, and efficiency was listed beyond what paper is capable of.

@Travis8352 ??

 

[06 Dodge]

Fleetguard looks nice, distr looks like a thing, amazon pricing weird.

I was shocked to see Amazon want so much $$ for a Fleetguard oil filter, its a lot cheaper at $25.24 for the LF16002 when you buy direct from Cummins and they ship for free when your order is $75 or higher and would trust a Fleetguard oil filter over most of the oil filters being made...

 

[06 Dodge]

I hate this phone - I'd just finished typing to add this pic, and it wiped out everything I'd typed. Fuch.

Anyway, must have had local warehouse inventory, I received 4 of 10 ordered. Box & filters are labeled Made in USA. Are these that old of stock they were made before Fleetguard moved from Iowa to Mexico 10 years ago? Also, the shipping list states the filters are cellulose. It did not say that on the website, and efficiency was listed beyond what paper is capable of.

@Travis8352 ??


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I was surprised to see the 17539 list price at $10.62 when you buy direct from Cummins, I would hazard a guess it does not use Stratapore media at that price and would also guess the LF16002 contains Stratapore media based on price..... BTW being you bought when they were still in Iowa they may or may not contain Stratapore media...

 

[HEMIMANN]

I was surprised to see the 17539 list price at $10.62 when you buy direct from Cummins, I would hazard a guess it does not use Stratapore media at that price and would also guess the LF16002 contains Stratapore media based on price..... BTW being you bought when they were still in Iowa they may or may not contain Stratapore media...

I have no idea what is going on, can only report what I see. Maybe I should cut one open. I bought it the other day, not years ago.

 

[06 Dodge]

I have no idea what is going on, can only report what I see. Maybe I should cut one open. I bought it the other day, not years ago.

Oh sorry I misunderstood, I do wonder if the have a plant somewhere in the USA making oil filters again as I can't see that oil filter sitting on the shelf for 10 or more years, my self I would not cut one open unless I knew how to tell Stratapore media from the other type of media they use..

 

[HEMIMANN]

Oh sorry I misunderstood, I do wonder if the have a plant somewhere in the USA making oil filters again as I can't see that oil filter sitting on the shelf for 10 or more years, my self I would not cut one open unless I knew how to tell Stratapore media from the other type of media they use..

They visually didn't appear to have been sitting in a warehouse for 10 years.
I am so sick of these a$$hole corporate executives. I can't escape these ruthless fuchers even in retirement!

 

[HEMIMANN]

Ok, I did not know Cummins completely divorced itself from Atmus & Fleetguard. Atmus is now a stand-alone entity, supposedly, even though for now Cummins still only buys Fleetguard-branded filters from Atmus. I saw some other reports that Atmus is using the previous Lake Mills, Iowa Fleetguard filtration manufacturing plant.
More executives subtracting product value by playing financial games to get richer. Probably rehired poor farm boys at minimum wage, and such. Fuch those guys.

Atmus Becomes a Fully Independent Company Following Final Separation from Cummins | Atmus

NASHVILLE, Tenn - Atmus Filtration Technologies Inc. (NYSE: ATMU) (“Atmus”) today announced its separation from Cummins Inc. (“Cummins”), marking Atmus’ first

www.atmus.com

 

[HEMIMANN]

I spy devious marketing games:

small letter p is cellulose media, using the same tradename that used to exclusively be used for synthetic microglass wound filter media decades ago...

But how did they get their cellulose to filter so well? Some secret fiber aligning tech, or just choke of the flow rate?

 

[dieselscout80]

But if it's made by a First Brands plant, it's toast. Who makes it?

I found a Donaldson Synthetic filter - but it's the big diameter like a Fram XG/FE2 I can't use. It's also longer (5.35" vs. Fram 4").

Fleetguard has no synthetic media engine oil filters with our thread size M22 x 1.5

What part number??

 

[HEMIMANN]

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[corneileous]

I’ve got a genuine question for the guys who run the ultra-high efficiency filters like the Royal Purple, Fram Ultra, or Purolator Boss along with Red Line 5W-30(or Amsoil signature series, maybe even Schaefer’s supreme 9000 like I run) and ~5k OCIs.

If the oil is getting changed that frequently and the oil itself already has a strong additive package, what’s the practical advantage of chasing the absolute highest filtration efficiency? My understanding is that most quality filters aren’t anywhere near their capacity limit at 5k miles anyway.

I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m just curious what the reasoning is from a technical standpoint. Is the goal mainly capturing the smallest possible particles, or is there another benefit I’m missing?

 

[dieselscout80]

Has anyone tried the Baldwin B7444 or B7449 (20 psi bypass) filter?

Edit I don’t think B7444 has the correct bypass pressure as it’s only 8 psi.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I’ve got a genuine question for the guys who run the ultra-high efficiency filters like the Royal Purple, Fram Ultra, or Purolator Boss along with Red Line 5W-30(or Amsoil signature series, maybe even Schaefer’s supreme 9000 like I run) and ~5k OCIs.

If the oil is getting changed that frequently and the oil itself already has a strong additive package, what’s the practical advantage of chasing the absolute highest filtration efficiency? My understanding is that most quality filters aren’t anywhere near their capacity limit at 5k miles anyway.

I’m not saying it’s wrong, I’m just curious what the reasoning is from a technical standpoint. Is the goal mainly capturing the smallest possible particles, or is there another benefit I’m missing?

Simple. Camshafts are expensive. So are Hemi engines. And 5k OCIs are cheap insurance, for me anyway. I also plan to keep my 2014 for as long as possible. I'm retired and don't drive that much. I'd rather spend a little more on 5k OCIs (takes me 10 months) than go back to monthly payments for a vehicle that costs more than my first two houses.

Do you do a UOA (Used Oil Analysis)? I do. And for that reason I know I could extend by maybe 2k miles, at most, but there is no way I can safely go the 15k, 20k, or even 25k that some oil and/or filter manufacturers suggest. That's pure marketing BS to drive sales, not engine life. If I ran an inexpensive filter and oil I would drop back to the old-world standard of 3k OCIs anyway.

And this is partly subjective rather than scientific, but I could swear my engine is running far more smoothly and much more quiet. I also saw my oil pressure go from 28psi at hot idle to 45psi, and 65-68psi when cold. That's actual and it's real.

Currently using the Royal Purple 20-820 filter, and just changed from Red Line 5w-30 to High Performance Lubricants (HPL) SuperCar (SC) 0w-30 at my last OCI.

 

[corneileous]

Simple. Camshafts are expensive. So are Hemi engines. And 5k OCIs are cheap insurance, for me anyway. I also plan to keep my 2014 for as long as possible. I'm retired and don't drive that much. I'd rather spend a little more on 5k OCIs (takes me 10 months) than go back to monthly payments for a vehicle that costs more than my first two houses.

Do you do a UOA (Used Oil Analysis)? I do. And for that reason I know I could extend by maybe 2k miles, at most, but there is no way I can safely go the 15k, 20k, or even 25k that some oil and/or filter manufacturers suggest. That's pure marketing BS to drive sales, not engine life. If I ran an inexpensive filter and oil I would drop back to the old-world standard of 3k OCIs anyway.

And this is partly subjective rather than scientific, but I could swear my engine is running far more smoothly and much more quiet. I also saw my oil pressure go from 28psi at hot idle to 45psi, and 65-68psi when cold. That's actual and it's real.

Currently using the Royal Purple 20-820 filter, and just changed from Red Line 5w-30 to High Performance Lubricants (HPL) SuperCar (SC) 0w-30 at my last OCI.

That makes sense. Cam and lifter repairs on these engines definitely aren’t cheap, so I understand the “cheap insurance” approach. If someone plans to keep the truck long term, I can see why they’d run premium oil and filters and stick to 5k intervals.

I do UOAs as well, and my results have been pretty good even without going to the most expensive filters. My last report with Schaeffer Supreme 9000 5W-20 and the standard Mopar filter(I had one I bought from a long time ago and just wanted to get rid of it) at about 5,300 miles came back with wear metals right at universal averages and insolubles at 0.2%, so filtration looked solid. Earlier runs with Pennzoil Ultra Premium and a Wix XP were also similar.

So for me it seems like as long as the oil is good and the interval is reasonable, a lesser-efficiency quality filter is doing its job. I’m not against the high-efficiency filters at all; if it gives someone peace of mind that’s great but my UOAs have shown good results with several different setups at around a 5k OCI.

At the end of the day we’re all trying to do the same thing: keep these Hemis alive as long as possible.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Efficiency is for engine wear and power loss reduction . Lake Speed did video with Donaldson showing correlation. How much more engine life? I don't know. Whatever it is I'll pay $5 more per filter a couple of times a year for it. Yeah, and pre-fill the filter. With a sideways filter, prefill it, let it soak, pour out free oil, install. Unsaturated filter media is what mostly slows oil flow through a new filter.

 

[Daw14]

Changing oil is one of the things I am still capable of doing.
So once every 12 to 14 months ,it gets fresh 10-30 Redline , and a new SRT filter, weather it needs it or not.
At three thousand miles or just over my oil stilll looks like. It was just poured from the jug. I use the used for lawnmowers ,and other small engines.