Staying off the radar possible?

[Daw14]

When I’m feeling paranoid I just put my alluminiyum foil hat on , during extreme episodes I add my rabbits ears on top of that.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Question: "Are there many cameras on the roads where you live?"
Me: "Well, there are 3 cameras in the cabin of my truck right now."

They have all sworn their allegiance to me though.

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

I actually have 6 Faraday bags, but all for key fobs. They work, very well. Didn't know they made them for cell phones. Great suggestion. Now to find one

 

[Marshall]

I'm not sure on Canada specs or providers. In the US, I'm pretty sure 2014 would still be 3G and on ATT's network. All the major US carriers have shut down 3G service, so there would be no historical data from cell phone towers (as it can't connect to a tower any longer).

It's not impossible to track a 3G device in real time, but I can't think of a plausible scenario where there wouldn't be multiple easier/smarter/cheaper alternatives.

Yes 3 g, that is why my old I 8 phone is going to die in the next while they tell me, I just got the old girl figured out, and looking at new one is a shocker.
SIL paid 2g for a new one and he don't like it.
I have no clue on the truck stuff, I seldom use navigation.

 

[Marshall]

Question: "Are there many cameras on the roads where you live?"
Me: "Well, there are 3 cameras in the cabin of my truck right now."

They have all sworn their allegiance to me though.

I had mother poking me in the ribs, then there was the wife, daughters and granddaughters know better,
GG daughters are to young yet to worry. they may scream , but it hasn't happened yet.
now some strange women is barking at me in the radio about speed limits , But no camera yet.

 

[Marshall]

I actually have 6 Faraday bags, but all for key fobs. They work, very well. Didn't know they made them for cell phones. Great suggestion. Now to find one

but what happens if you can't find it? , can you still phone it
I know its a girl thing.

 

[BLAK]

I actually have 6 Faraday bags, but all for key fobs. They work, very well. Didn't know they made them for cell phones. Great suggestion. Now to find one

Why and when do you put your key fobs in Faraday bags?

 

[Docwagon1776]

Why and when do you put your key fobs in Faraday bags?

It's usually for theft protection. Keeps someone from cloning your fob. Simplified version: Cloning intercepts the signal between your fob and the vehicle to break the encryption. If one side or the other can't talk, the cloning device can't break the encryption and the bad guy can't make a working fob to steal your car.

 

[msweets]

It's funny how people are so wrapped up on their vehicle infringing their privacy. The vehicle is the LEAST of your concerns! I spent the better part of 3 decades making a living out of finding people. I've taught courses all over the world on using "non-traditional" techniques. Any smart electronics can be used, all your streaming, all your phone activity, credit cards, most of your vehicle services, etc. Even paying cash may doesn't ensure you stay under the radar. If you truly want to avoid being tracked, you are going to need to live like a cave man, not talk to your friends/family and do a LOT of crazy cut-outs to pay the bills.

With that said, like TRK_GANG74 has already mentioned, you really need to be a (significant) criminal to get this kind of attention and most all of it requires judicial process.

Lastly, for what it's worth, I have had vehicles shut off on demand. It took court orders and is a real pain in the a$$.

 

[huntergreen]

Re-read my second paragraph. Your current vehicle is not capable of drivetrain OTA updates and can't be bricked remotely. Infotainment updates only on your Ram.

Newer vehicles *do* have drivetrain capability. Stellantis accidentally bricked some Wrangler 4XEs. See my more in depth thread here: https://www.ramforum.com/threads/ota-update-bricks-jeeps.220641/

The real danger isn't the US gov't shutting down vehicles, there's so many steps that have to break down to get there it's not a realistic concern at this point. Your concern the "government just calls the manufacturer" is based entirely on ignorance of legal process. These companies aren't going to slit their economic throats at a request. They won't give law enforcement information without warrant/subpoena. Businesses are so gun shy now places like Wal-mart want a warrant for surveillance video of public areas if the business isn't the victim. I work Homicide, and have worked joint operations with federal agencies for organized crime, I deal with this routinely.

The real danger is bad actors (slim chance) or the upcoming regulations where your vehicle must monitor you for intoxication or distracted driving. Congress already mandated the study but there's no conclusion on what the vehicle must do yet. It is entirely possible that the vehicle will pull over on it's own if it thinks you are sleepy or drunk. Then it's a computer making the decision with zero ramifications. See the link in the thread above.

Should make folks think twice an outing that jet flight.

 

[markabby]

The only thing i thought that was tracked (on the computer) was your driving habits. Thats why (supposedly) if you disconnect the battery, the truck is supposed to "learn" how you're driving it again.

I've also read that "they" can use the computer as a black box to determine your speed and braking response in an accident. I've seen quite a few videos where the cops or insurance companies view that information to determine how you were driving at the time of the accident.

I read recently that in the very near future most car companies will be getting rid of CarPlay and will be using their own version of that, which means they will limit what, if any, APPS can be used.

As far as privacy, no matter where you walk or drive, you're on a camera; stores, banks, workplaces, hospitals, intersections, getting on a plane? They know everything about you. Even driving down a street in any neighborhood, someone has recorded you driving by. Its' the world we live in and there's no escape.

 

[Dusty]

Re-read my second paragraph. Your current vehicle is not capable of drivetrain OTA updates and can't be bricked remotely. Infotainment updates only on your Ram.

Newer vehicles *do* have drivetrain capability. Stellantis accidentally bricked some Wrangler 4XEs. See my more in depth thread here: https://www.ramforum.com/threads/ota-update-bricks-jeeps.220641/

The real danger isn't the US gov't shutting down vehicles, there's so many steps that have to break down to get there it's not a realistic concern at this point. Your concern the "government just calls the manufacturer" is based entirely on ignorance of legal process. These companies aren't going to slit their economic throats at a request. They won't give law enforcement information without warrant/subpoena.

You are probably correct with respect to auto manufacturers. However, a few years ago a federal law enforcement agency WITHOUT warrant obtained the serial numbers and access codes from a major gun safe manufacturer.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 148654 miles.

 

[RamDiver]

You are probably correct with respect to auto manufacturers. However, a few years ago a federal law enforcement agency WITHOUT warrant obtained the serial numbers and access codes from a major gun safe manufacturer.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 148654 miles.

Link?

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[Docwagon1776]

You are probably correct with respect to auto manufacturers. However, a few years ago a federal law enforcement agency WITHOUT warrant obtained the serial numbers and access codes from a major gun safe manufacturer.

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 148654 miles.

The only difference there is time saved, if I have a warrant for your safe I'll have Fire bring their toys and bust it if I need to. Compared to access to shut down vehicles? Not in the same ballpark.

However, you're correct in that I worded it too broadly. Some companies do give information without warrants. Pawn shops are legally required to, hotels are required by law to show the registry in most jurisdictions, some of the online market place meetup apps will voluntarily provide information if there's a robbery, etc.

 

[Dusty]

Link?

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Liberty Safe responds to backlash as anger grows over giving FBI code

Liberty Safe customers will now be able to "take control of how their information is stored and protected," the manufacturer said in a statement.

www.newsweek.com

Regards,
Dusty
2019 Ram 1500 Billet Silver Laramie Quad Cab 2WD, 5.7 Hemi, 8HP75, 3.21 axle, 33-gallon fuel tank, 18” wheels. Build Date: 3 June 2018. Now at 148716 miles.

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

but what happens if you can't find it? , can you still phone it
I know its a girl thing.

If I can't find it, it would Be a blessing

 

[Bigskyroadglide]

Why and when do you put your key fobs in Faraday bags?

Kills the radio signal to the truck. Can't be started. Can't open the door, can't do anything to the truck inside or out. Take key fob out of the bag, everything works again

Keys are always in the bag, if I'm not in the vehicle.

Hanging on the wall, keys are in the bag.

In a drawer, keys are in the bag.

Quick Test Faraday Bag for Key Fob

Amazon Associate Links:As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases:Faraday Bag for Key Fob (2 Pack): https://amzn.to/3sQek5aTICONN Faraday Cage ...

youtu.be

 

[Tulecreeper]

You've got two separate things going on.

Nobody is tracking you, nobody gives enough of a **** to do so. Your truck is on the cell phone network, and your general location and movement can be recreated by querying cell phone records if somebody (like me, in law enforcement) has your truck's info an sends a warrant to the cell provider. Some manufacturers also collect data in aggregate for analysis with no personal info attached, but I don't think Ram does.

The second thing is over the air updates. That's more of a concern. Your truck, only the infotainment system can be updated OTA. Many current vehicles can have the drivetrain programming updated as well. A non-zero number of updates have bricked cars from manufacturers like Ford, requiring a tow to get fixed. To date there's been no bad actor taking over the update system, no disgruntled employees getting a brick code to go out, etc, but it's a (very slim) possibility it some day could.

The easiest way to address the first is remove the cell chip or disconnect the antennae. The easiest way to address the second is not buy a vehicle where OTA affects anything that really matters.

And then there is my truck. No OTA anything, and I keep the GPS turned off unless I need to correct the time on my clock, then I turn it off again. And I have manual door locks and manual windows, and the lowest version of radio they have.

 

[Tulecreeper]

Kills the radio signal to the truck. Can't be started. Can't open the door, can't do anything to the truck inside or out. Take key fob out of the bag, everything works again

Keys are always in the bag, if I'm not in the vehicle.

Hanging on the wall, keys are in the bag.

In a drawer, keys are in the bag.

Quick Test Faraday Bag for Key Fob

Amazon Associate Links:As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases:Faraday Bag for Key Fob (2 Pack): https://amzn.to/3sQek5aTICONN Faraday Cage ...

youtu.be

The only thing a thief could do with my fob is lock and unlock my tailgate...and set off the panic alarm.

 

[David Tree]

You've got two separate things going on.

Nobody is tracking you, nobody gives enough of a **** to do so. Your truck is on the cell phone network, and your general location and movement can be recreated by querying cell phone records if somebody (like me, in law enforcement) has your truck's info an sends a warrant to the cell provider. Some manufacturers also collect data in aggregate for analysis with no personal info attached, but I don't think Ram does.

The second thing is over the air updates. That's more of a concern. Your truck, only the infotainment system can be updated OTA. Many current vehicles can have the drivetrain programming updated as well. A non-zero number of updates have bricked cars from manufacturers like Ford, requiring a tow to get fixed. To date there's been no bad actor taking over the update system, no disgruntled employees getting a brick code to go out, etc, but it's a (very slim) possibility it some day could.

The easiest way to address the first is remove the cell chip or disconnect the antennae. The easiest way to address the second is not buy a vehicle where OTA affects anything that really matters.

Tracking on our TV's, phones, cars and Internet is conditioning everyone for the Agenda that is coming.

Dumb-Down/Indoctrinate everyone with technology - technology that ultimately leads to a Central Command.

China has already implemented the Digital Rewards/Punishment Program

The world is following this Plan and soon there will be the 'cashless' freedom/death for all to be connected.

Those who know are ridiculed by the world = "tin foil hats"

@Cmz2800