Synthetic Oil

[raven3]

So does the WIX xp filter have less back pressure than the other contenders, RP & Fram XG resulting in greater flow rate?

 

[Hemi395]

I think the answer to that is yes but its so minute that any of those filters will be fine no matter what oil you end up running. So far my truck is liking the Wix XP

 

[RodRam]

problem is royal purple does not provide product info like other companies it has its generic build info but nothing on how much oil it flows, the wixxp flows 10-12 gallons a minute, that's serious flow any way you look at it. See here;http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1863386



Ok something weird happened yesterday maybe someone can tell me what was up.

Came home after driving truck at 206 oil temp, been running a hour or so. parked it about 8pm 85 degrees out side, truck sat all night, 9am came out cranked truck and to my surprise no cold tap!! nothing smooth as silk, so I looked at the screen that has psi, oil temp water temp and now this is 5 seconds after starting it and my oil temp says 176 !! In 10k miles after several hours parked and for sure over night sitting the oil was always down to the low limit of the gauge which is 122. So wtf happened?

 

[R.L.K.]

Like I noted several times over the last many pages the Wix xp was better in my application because it got rid of my cold start lifter noise in RLK's case he has always said he has no noise so I can see where he might not get a since of the filter being better. However what some here that run thick mixtures and trust me redline is very thick compared with other oils in the same grade do not factor in is bypass pressure, if your oil is so thick that the filter can not process it thru the filter the bypass opens and the oil flows around the media not thru it. Not saying this is happening in his case but it is a possibility in any truck running a much thicker oil. At least running the wix you are getting better flow so that's a good thing.

I do not think my oil is s SOOOOO thick I'm overpowering the bypass valve of the filter .... basically I'm running a 33wt oil , not THICK at all imo .

My shake & vissual pour test seems the same for the 40wt RL as the 20 wt PYB ? LOL not a great test but you make it sound like syrup

Is it just ironic my oil pressures are extremely consistent with pyb 20 wt ?

I think not ...


Anyway I do think the Wix Xp is a great filter , it's not that I don't see the Benifits of it , it's just the results for me with my filter to filter test was a Zero change Sir ...


I'm not running down the product you hold in such high regards here , I'm just saying I seen no difference (in my personal filter to filter test " flawed or not " Per Smiley ). .... I was actually hoping my pressures would drop a bit , they just didn't. In fact they wer near identical to 20wt PYB ? Not a coincidence imo.


So in conclusion the Wix Xp is essentially the same as the RP10-48 Filter .
As stated the Wix Xp does have the coil ADBV verses the plate , which I do think is a better design ( the coil spring that is )

I have no issues with admitting when a product I'm not using has better features .

I do plan to continue to use the Wix Xp filter for the remainder of this oci , Untill November when I change to my winter oil ( 7ea qts of Redline 5W - 30 oil )

Pretty sure my experiments are fairly well documented here ...

No hard feeling friend , I do enjoy reading your post Sir !

 

[R.L.K.]

problem is royal purple does not provide product info like other companies it has its generic build info but nothing on how much oil it flows, the wixxp flows 10-12 gallons a minute, that's serious flow any way you look at it. See here;http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1863386



Ok something weird happened yesterday maybe someone can tell me what was up.

Came home after driving truck at 206 oil temp, been running a hour or so. parked it about 8pm 85 degrees out side, truck sat all night, 9am came out cranked truck and to my surprise no cold tap!! nothing smooth as silk, so I looked at the screen that has psi, oil temp water temp and now this is 5 seconds after starting it and my oil temp says 176 !! In 10k miles after several hours parked and for sure over night sitting the oil was always down to the low limit of the gauge which is 122. So wtf happened?

That's strange for sure !

My oil temps low end is 104 , Untill it's above that which is typically once the water temp in 150 -175 depending on outside air temp "OAT "

 

[U&A]

That's strange for sure !

My oil temps low end is 104 , Untill it's above that which is typically once the water temp in 150 -175 depending on outside air temp "OAT "

Strange...im sure iv seen my oil temp read way lowere than that. Assuming you guys are saying there is a minimum temp it will display and it will only show change that is higher than that. Ill look again in the morning.

 

[Kotta390]

Strange...im sure iv seen my oil temp read way lowere than that. Assuming you guys are saying there is a minimum temp it will display and it will only show change that is higher than that. Ill look again in the morning.

I maybe mistaking here but I thought the lowest my oil temp will read is around 100F

 

[Rampant]

problem is royal purple does not provide product info like other companies it has its generic build info but nothing on how much oil it flows, the wixxp flows 10-12 gallons a minute, that's serious flow any way you look at it. See here;http://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/PartDetails.aspx?Part=1863386



Ok something weird happened yesterday maybe someone can tell me what was up.

Came home after driving truck at 206 oil temp, been running a hour or so. parked it about 8pm 85 degrees out side, truck sat all night, 9am came out cranked truck and to my surprise no cold tap!! nothing smooth as silk, so I looked at the screen that has psi, oil temp water temp and now this is 5 seconds after starting it and my oil temp says 176 !! In 10k miles after several hours parked and for sure over night sitting the oil was always down to the low limit of the gauge which is 122. So wtf happened?

I think someone took your truck out for a joy ride and brought it back at around 0826 hrs. Lol

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[R.L.K.]

My Truck : 2014 Ram 1500 5.7L 6 speed xsmn 3.55 differentials

My oil temp minimum temp display ( on this page ) is 104°f



I guess I just assumed everyone's was the same ...

 

[U&A]

yup, you guys are right. it said 104 this morning on start up.

 

[raven3]

If you all want to read up on fluid filters go to the "filter manufactures council", www.filtercouncil.org

Looks like filter media is efficiency rated for three particular sizes
5,10,20 microns based on single pass.

Talcum powder is 10 microns
1 micron = 1/1000,000 of a meter

Seems like the higher the filter media efficiency the greater the pressure drop and lower the flow rate for a given oil pump speed(rpm) and fluid viscosity.

Do not believe the oil filtering in the v8s requires as much efficiency as a high pressure hydraulic power system.

Seems like the main purpose of the engine oil filter is to remove any earth dust particles that get by the air filter.

High winds pick up a lot of dust in the desert and also tractors working near highway 99 in the farming region.
Noticed highway construction use water trucks to control dust for vehicles when expanding from two lane to four lane highways.

 

[R.L.K.]

If you all want to read up on fluid filters go to the "filter manufactures council", www.filtercouncil.org

Looks like filter media is efficiency rated for three particular sizes
5,10,20 microns based on single pass.

Talcum powder is 10 microns
1 micron = 1/1000,000 of a meter

Seems like the higher the filter media efficiency the greater the pressure drop and lower the flow rate for a given oil pump speed(rpm) and fluid viscosity.

Do not believe the oil filtering in the v8s requires as much efficiency as a high pressure hydraulic power system.

Seems like the main purpose of the engine oil filter is to remove any earth dust particles that get by the air filter.

High winds pick up a lot of dust in the desert and also tractors working near highway 99 in the farming region.
Noticed highway construction use water trucks to control dust for vehicles when expanding from two lane to four lane highways.

Good info here !

Like Syn always said , one of the best things you can do for your oil is to keep a quality air filter installed as well as oil filter .

 

[RodRam]

Mine has a low of 122 oil temp, 30 degrees and sat for a week and still that's as low as it will go, so something is not consistent with these trucks, could be the oil temp sensors or some other electric switch. No one drove or cranked my truck, this morning it was back to the 122 low. RLK in your case where you have no noises then any top tier filter will probably act the same. what I don't get is you said a few times when you bought your truck you had OP readings in the 20's but when you ran PYB it was high like redline, well PYB was the factory fill so that is strange. As far as redline being thick, I will post a comparison at 40 degrees Celsius that's 104 F the 5-30 redline oil is rated at a viscosity of 71. Pennzoil ultra in same weight at same temp is only 56.9 that's quite a bit thicker id say, with almost every 5-30 I researched and it was many the average was only in the high 50's to low 60's. Now add in your 0-40, you cant go by what you think it looks like, lets use redlines number and the 104 reading is 86! the adding together and dividing to get you 33 weight is not how its done but no big deal, I'm not knocking your choices I just don't see any reason at all to vary that much from what the 5.7 was designed to use. Now lets move up to the 100c reading which is 212 degrees F this is your operating temp, 5-30 redline oil is rated at 11.9 while PP ultra is only 10.3 the 0-40 is 15.4! So redline is thicker than other oils in the same grade and that's just the facts. This is according to redline and other companies published numbers.

Now that the facts show Redline is thick oil as compared to others could the use of such or even thicker oils hurt our motors? Well its not my place to tell anyone what to use but I feel that you guys are my friends and the sharing of knowledge or at least research could benefit one or more of you then I post what I found,

This is worth reading. imo

http://www.hendonpub.com/resources/article_archive/results/details?id=3965

 

[R.L.K.]

I've seen the Redline #s in the past , may have been one of your post RodRam, can't remember , I belive it's been posted a few time s . It's true I had idle #s in the 20s , but that was with dealer bulk oil ( no telling what that was ) the dealer put 8 & 1/2 qts in mine once and left my drain plug finger tight once and broke my airbox clip once and drastically undertorqued my lug nuts once. , so as you can see I have little respect for most dealers ! All that was done during FREE oil changes

Pretty sure I wasn't paying attention to oil pressures on the factory fill yet , didn't start paying attention to oil pressures till 2nd or 3rd oil change .
I did think the 20s wer low , that's why I initially wanted to go to a 30wt oil . Then I found this thread .
@ RodRam strange your oil temp lower reading is different, what year and model is your truck Sir ? 4x4 or 2wd , 1500 or ?

 

[Burla]

News flash, Redline 5w30 weighs the same as every other 5w30. It is just that all of you "oil guys" favorite oils break down with heat much easier and flow thinner. This reaction to heat is also why all of you "oils guys" oils shear off overtime, another thing that doesn't happen with Redline 99.9% of the time. And all of you "oil guys" oil that shears down and thins out quicker then Redline, also is not polar like Redline, so Redline tends to stick to metal better then your "oil guys" oil at any given flow rate. We haven't yet discussed the additive package as well, that Redline obviously is committed to having a long run oil that contains more additives then the CAFE standards dictate.

I swear this place has turned into retard hour. The legitimate argument has always been is it necessary to have this level of performance in an engine oil, not whether your group 3 ***** oils are actually better then hardy group 5 oils. Thick oils are like 20w50's that flow at 20 even in mineral oils at 100. Only a retard would look at the science and say any of these group 3's are actually better at protecting an engine against acid and heat better then Redline. The only thing stupider then this would be to bring ignorance and fear into the conversation about an oil time tested based on an aspect of group 5 oil not seen since the 70's and NEVER seen with Redline, which Raven has also done.

If any of you were true oil guys, you would stop this constant bashing of the one oil brand committed to out performing anything on the market, and backed by science is truly an oil that out performs all others, unless you subscribe to the retarded opinion that oil that break down faster are better. You guys aren't oil guys, you are hacks. Carry on with more of your hacking.

 

[Hootbro]

News flash, Redline 5w30 weighs the same as every other 5w30. It is just that all of you "oil guys" favorite oils break down with heat much easier and flow thinner. This reaction to heat is also why all of you "oils guys" oils shear off overtime, another thing that doesn't happen with Redline 99.9% of the time. And all of you "oil guys" oil that shears down and thins out quicker then Redline, also is not polar like Redline, so Redline tends to stick to metal better then your "oil guys" oil at any given flow rate. We haven't yet discussed the additive package as well, that Redline obviously is committed to having a long run oil that contains more additives then the CAFE standards dictate.

I swear this place has turned into retard hour. The legitimate argument has always been is it necessary to have this level of performance in an engine oil, not whether your group 3 ***** oils are actually better then hardy group 5 oils. Thick oils are like 20w50's that flow at 20 even in mineral oils at 100. Only a retard would look at the science and say any of these group 3's are actually better at protecting an engine against acid and heat better then Redline. The only thing stupider then this would be to bring ignorance and fear into the conversation about an oil time tested based on an aspect of group 5 oil not seen since the 70's and NEVER seen with Redline, which Raven has also done.

If any of you were true oil guys, you would stop this constant bashing of the one oil brand committed to out performing anything on the market, and backed by science is truly an oil that out performs all others, unless you subscribe to the retarded opinion that oil that break down faster are better. You guys aren't oil guys, you are hacks. Carry on with more of your hacking.

I hear what you are saying, but it is a discussion board, not what Burla thinks and that is the end of discussion forum.

I like your posts for the most part and get where you are coming from, but being a control freak over this and other oil related threads is a bit much sometimes.

Relax.

 

[Burla]

I am totally relaxed and chill bro, just laughing at more bad info. But hey, why not make it about me and not what I said about the science, you will win that 1.

 

[AFMoulton]

Why all the hate? Redline is great stuff yes, some of us can't afford the best out there (right now). I went with the next best thing that I could afford.

 

[Burla]

Here is a guess who quotes, before this guy became an Amsoil Shill. Since someone actually brought his name into the thread.

I think they started going downhill when they switched from di-esters to the POA/polyol mix following Mobil's lead. In my view, they lost all distinction of being first by following others.

I think they also committed the most gross hypocrisy by blasting Castrol for chaning definitions of Group III oils and then moving in behind them.

Redline or NEO now seem to be the only leaders in expensive full synth's.

Mobil seems to be attempting to improve their competitive lot by developing new PAO's and esters.

Who was that? What has changed? The only constant is there only one company is dedicated to real synthetic. Motul might be a close second but the specs don't match Redline's, so there is one oil that stands head shoulders about the rest.

Answer.

 

[Burla]

Why all the hate? Redline is great stuff yes, some of us can't afford the best out there (right now). I went with the next best thing that I could afford.

With all do respect, Redline is great stuff does not match what the hacks here are saying. And run what oil you choose, just do some research while choosing it. Just maybe take a small peak at the science behind your choice. Have a good day.