Synthetic Oil

Oil of Choice

  • Castrol Syntec/Edge

    Votes: 254 8.4%
  • Royal Purple

    Votes: 344 11.4%
  • AMSOil

    Votes: 428 14.2%
  • Valvoline Synpower

    Votes: 174 5.8%
  • Mobil 1

    Votes: 1,077 35.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 737 24.5%

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Anyone have any advice on changing from 5w20 to a 5w30. I ran 4 OCI 20000 kms of valvoline restore and protect. Im thi king of going to valvoline 5w20 advanced w/max life for high mileage. Im at 260000 kms now on the original engine and Im in Canada. What would the benefits of switching to 5w30 provide ?
Might want to consider 0w30 or 0w40. As tolerances widen thicker oil slows engines using oil. You cleaned your rings with that strategy, so you might have some gaps or peaks/valleys on your rings that thinner oil slips through easier. Your in Canada, I think all you guys should be on winter rated oils. And oh yeah thicker oils protect metal better.
 

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Anyone have any advice on changing from 5w20 to a 5w30. I ran 4 OCI 20000 kms of valvoline restore and protect. Im thi king of going to valvoline 5w20 advanced w/max life for high mileage. Im at 260000 kms now on the original engine and Im in Canada. What would the benefits of switching to 5w30 provide ?
What oil were you running before? 5w30 or 5w20? If you say 5w20, its good that you're in Ontario. Otherwise you would have faced many a Hemi tick by now.
Running Valvoline R&P is a good thing. Assuming that you don't have any ticking noise, I would continue to run Valvoline R&P 5w30 or even Valvoline Advanced 5w30; changing every 5000kms. Do not go to a 5w20. After seeing that GM issue with their V8s and the fact that our Hemis are of a similar type, we all should probably be running 0w40 in our engines regardless of whatever the manufacturer say. Mobil1 FS Euro 0w40.
As Burla said, I would also recommend running 0w30 as well for those Canadian winters, but that is about as light I would recommend to anyone. No 5w20, 0w20, 0w16, etc.
I'm not an oil expert. I think @Burla for pointing me in the right direction and introducing me to Redline. I still don't understand everything that I'm looking at when I see an oil analysis sheet. I've just experienced the Hemi tick far too many times to not want to face that ever and see others suffer as well.
 

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I would probabaly choose Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30. Can be had at walmart for i think 27 a jug, pretty sure its cheap in canada to. This one is thought to have cleaning capabilities but at the very least it will keep a clean engine clean
 

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I would probabaly choose Mobil 1 ESP 0w-30. Can be had at walmart for i think 27 a jug, pretty sure its cheap in canada to. This one is thought to have cleaning capabilities but at the very least it will keep a clean engine clean
For Hemi? Keep tick at bay?
 

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For Hemi? Keep tick at bay?
Honestly this seems to be about as universal of an oil as there is! It doesnt have an API donut but mobil says it passes SP engine tests so it doesnt meet SP but its good for LSPI despite having 1700ppm calcium. Loaded with top euro approvals to including mb229.52 which has an LSPI test
 

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What oil were you running before? 5w30 or 5w20? If you say 5w20, its good that you're in Ontario. Otherwise you would have faced many a Hemi tick by now.
Running Valvoline R&P is a good thing. Assuming that you don't have any ticking noise, I would continue to run Valvoline R&P 5w30 or even Valvoline Advanced 5w30; changing every 5000kms. Do not go to a 5w20. After seeing that GM issue with their V8s and the fact that our Hemis are of a similar type, we all should probably be running 0w40 in our engines regardless of whatever the manufacturer say. Mobil1 FS Euro 0w40.
As Burla said, I would also recommend running 0w30 as well for those Canadian winters, but that is about as light I would recommend to anyone. No 5w20, 0w20, 0w16, etc.
I'm not an oil expert. I think @Burla for pointing me in the right direction and introducing me to Redline. I still don't understand everything that I'm looking at when I see an oil analysis sheet. I've just experienced the Hemi tick far too many times to not want to face that ever and see others suffer as well.
I always ran 5w20 on this engine and always did 5000-6000 oci. Ive never had any lifter issues or any noisy rocker arms or lifters. When I gave restore and protect a go for recomended 4 minimum oci's it definitely made a noticeable smoother running engine and the oil came out cleaner and each time i drained it and while I kept an eye on it in my catch can.
Now im at 260000 kms on it and was up in the air with switching to valvonie high mileage 5w30 full synthetic w/max life formula. I figured if the RnP did its job then now go to the max life technology and keep it clean and protected since its really cosidered a high mileage engine.
Just wasnt sure about changing to a 5w30 also ?
 

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Might want to consider 0w30 or 0w40. As tolerances widen thicker oil slows engines using oil. You cleaned your rings with that strategy, so you might have some gaps or peaks/valleys on your rings that thinner oil slips through easier. Your in Canada, I think all you guys should be on winter rated oils. And oh yeah thicker oils protect metal better.
Ok so what is the difference from a 5w20 to 0w30 or 0w40 ?
And is 5w30 a thicker oil than 0w30 or 40 ?
 

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Honestly this seems to be about as universal of an oil as there is! It doesnt have an API donut but mobil says it passes SP engine tests so it doesnt meet SP but its good for LSPI despite having 1700ppm calcium. Loaded with top euro approvals to including mb229.52 which has an LSPI test

Moly additive content? This looks like and "improved PUP" with higher 30 wt vis? This yet another new Mobil blend?

Man, Exxon sure turned Mobil lubes loose, finally.
 

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Ok so what is the difference from a 5w20 to 0w30 or 0w40 ?
And is 5w30 a thicker oil than 0w30 or 40 ?
The answer as it pertains to an engine is complicated, as in the fact the oil pump is an equalizer, it moves nearly the same amount of oil in a pressurized system no matter what weight. All winter rated products are synthetic and are best effort oils by manu's. If you look at cst viscosity numbers on stat sheets you can see 0w40's operating visc, and the ones near 12.5 in simple terms are basically 30 weights or more correct 5w30 most of the time in the sump. 0w30 usually carries very desirable specs like Porsche or BMW or Merc and they will shear even less then those super class 0w40's, so if you pick a good 0w30 it can actually be thicker then 0w40 at the time you send a sample to Blackstone. 20 weight is just thin oil, not a lot of cushioning your metal parts. The better the film of an oil can be film strength by oil or EP additives and some aw additives, the more protection of metal. It is complicated because some of these AW/EP additives actually encourage wear, but it is "good wear", the film sacrifices itself and takes some high points on the metal with it.

Anecdotally my rav 4 was a rattle trap, engine was great but low rpm sounded like it wanted to fall of the mounts. I tried a same weight 20 weight HP oil, it was better right away but still rattled. Went to a house synthetic 30 weight and the truck rattle was gone and ran smooth all the time, butter smooth. And that is a 160hp 4 banger that called for the same oil as a 400 pony hemi, so yeah it is a personal choice but sometimes your ear tells you what to run especially with a little research.
 

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I've decided to go permanently to a 5w30 and use the high mileage max life for the winter and go back to RnP in the summer. That way I can share some product experience from Valvoline's max life formula here. As far as brands I'll never change from Valvoline, its been my trusted brand of oil with my truck and my wifes Caddillac.
 

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Moly additive content? This looks like and "improved PUP" with higher 30 wt vis? This yet another new Mobil blend?

Man, Exxon sure turned Mobil lubes loose, finally.
Its only 80 but 300ppm boron. Its been around for a while but was hard to find. They released it to autozone a few years ago but was expensive. Id say a year or so ago it hit walmart and its cheap
 

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The answer as it pertains to an engine is complicated, as in the fact the oil pump is an equalizer, it moves nearly the same amount of oil in a pressurized system no matter what weight. All winter rated products are synthetic and are best effort oils by manu's. If you look at cst viscosity numbers on stat sheets you can see 0w40's operating visc, and the ones near 12.5 in simple terms are basically 30 weights or more correct 5w30 most of the time in the sump. 0w30 usually carries very desirable specs like Porsche or BMW or Merc and they will shear even less then those super class 0w40's, so if you pick a good 0w30 it can actually be thicker then 0w40 at the time you send a sample to Blackstone. 20 weight is just thin oil, not a lot of cushioning your metal parts. The better the film of an oil can be film strength by oil or EP additives and some aw additives, the more protection of metal. It is complicated because some of these AW/EP additives actually encourage wear, but it is "good wear", the film sacrifices itself and takes some high points on the metal with it.

Anecdotally my rav 4 was a rattle trap, engine was great but low rpm sounded like it wanted to fall of the mounts. I tried a same weight 20 weight HP oil, it was better right away but still rattled. Went to a house synthetic 30 weight and the truck rattle was gone and ran smooth all the time, butter smooth. And that is a 160hp 4 banger that called for the same oil as a 400 pony hemi, so yeah it is a personal choice but sometimes your ear tells you what to run especially with a little research.

And that motor doesn't even have the cylinder pressure of a turbo! More reason why I'm thinking of upgrading from PUP API SP 5W-30 to a more robust 30 wt. My son liked his mom's Mazda CX-5 turbo so much he went out and bought one, too. So now there are 2 turbo 4's in the fam.
 

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Its only 80 but 300ppm boron. Its been around for a while but was hard to find. They released it to autozone a few years ago but was expensive. Id say a year or so ago it hit walmart and its cheap

Boron = MoDTC?
 

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Boron = MoDTC?
No MoDTC is a type of moly. Boron is a multifuctional additive, i believe it has antiwear, EP, and antioxidant capabilities. Theres also borate esters which may be what this is, im not to well versed on the ins and outs of boron in lubricants. It depletes with use as well, i believe over the course of an OCI its chemical makeup changes and is no longer detectable as boron. I forget the science behind it. Its activated at a much lower temp than moly and zddp. Redline also uses a good amount of boron, AMSOIL uses like 400ppm. The SN redline euro oils used 500ppm
 

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I think Brian knows that, he is asking if the properties are similar as in EP. Sounds like they are! We need a boron additive for hemi tick?

Boron is the new thing that is for sure, and manu's falling in love with moly again.
 

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Look at the last graph on page 7, pdf holy moly. Boron plus Moly and wear on fresh oil, I know it isn't a hemi, but still??

Have to now add boron to moly and esters as why hemi's go quiet or combo?

hemi honey 5w30 redline over 150ppm boron too.

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Boron levels all over the board on redline 5w30, and my sample which killed tick was at 20ppm. So now we need to have white paper like we do on moly to gauge.

But that test while not a smoking gun hints boron is killer, and I need to go back they did have different levels and even low levels were good.
 

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Samples E and 00 very interesting? Used oil was lower wear then new in those samples.

In those tests in some cases, to answer Brians question, boron out performs moly in terms of friction, big wow?
 

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Formula c versus A, shows the importance of formula, both equal on friction reduction but C is bad on copper wear.
 
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