Synthetic Oil

[Travis8352]

Boron levels all over the board on redline 5w30, and my sample which killed tick was at 20ppm. So now we need to have white paper like we do on moly to gauge.

But that test while not a smoking gun hints boron is killer, and I need to go back they did have different levels and even low levels were good.

It does deplete over an OCI so perhaps it was higher? It does seem all over the map but i guess we know its always in there. HPL is low boron like 80ppm tops IIRC. Except for their mid saps euro line that one has 500ppm boron but no moly.

 

[Travis8352]

I think Brian knows that, he is asking if the properties are similar as in EP. Sounds like they are! We need a boron additive for hemi tick?

Boron is the new thing that is for sure, and manu's falling in love with moly again.

Also yeah i totally misunderstood him and didnt realize till you posted this lol

 

[HEMIMANN]

Well, if we all ditch our Hemis and get 4 cylinder turbo GDI's, all our Hemi problems will be history, no?

 

[tjfdesmo]

Gosh
Darn
Idiotic
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Being polite

 

[Travis8352]

Well, if we all ditch our Hemis and get 4 cylinder turbo GDI's, all our Hemi problems will be history, no?

Lets all buy gen 6 GM smallblocks. I hear their goin 350 again and a 6.6 instead of the 5.3/6.2

 

[HEMIMANN]

Lets all buy gen 6 GM smallblocks. I hear their goin 350 again and a 6.6 instead of the 5.3/6.2

With AFM and low tension rings!

I don't remember anything wrong with that driving me to (unknown failing) Hemi engines!

 

[Travis8352]

With AFM and low tension rings!

I don't remember anything wrong with that driving me to (unknown failing) Hemi engines!

We will see what happens. I think these engines are coming for 2027 models. Who knows maybe they will go dohc

 

[tjfdesmo]

We will see what happens. I think these engines are coming for 2027 models. Who knows maybe they will go dohc

I hear it will be "Vorteculistic Tri Cam", one in the block runs all the intakes, and one each overhead for exhausts...

 

[Travis8352]

I hear it will be "Vorteculistic Tri Cam", one in the block runs all the intakes, and one each overhead for exhausts...

Very interesting

 

[HEMIMANN]

Honestly this seems to be about as universal of an oil as there is! It doesnt have an API donut but mobil says it passes SP engine tests so it doesnt meet SP but its good for LSPI despite having 1700ppm calcium. Loaded with top euro approvals to including mb229.52 which has an LSPI test

I read some more at Bob's and got agitated at all the hatred and infighting, so quit.

They seem puzzled by this oil as much as we are, without concern for the Hemi engine, even. They're rambling on quite a bit about the new Valvoline Restore and Protect which, by all accounts, works. But I still don't know that it is the best LUBRICANT for our applications. Sure, it CLEANS.

But I digress. Still looking for the more robust 30 wt (11-12 cSt @ 100C) that you can't get with API SP for pulling loads, high ambient temps, turbos, etc. So oil which is optimal for Hemi?

Red Line
HPL
Mobil 1 ESP?

I'm kind of deleting PUP from my list 'cause they went real low on 30 wt vis to meet API SP "fuel economy" . Also now thinking 0W-30 all year non-API SP instead of 5W-30. I mean, why not? We're having to dump these oils ~ 5k miles anyway due to engine weaknesses (plugged galley orifices in Hemi engines from normal combustion contaminants so lifter rollers aren't starved, high soot and fuel dilution from GDI engines).

 

[Burla]

Because every cutting board needs an engine?

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[huntergreen]

Because every cutting board needs an engine?

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Had something similar in the mid sixties. A glue together model with working parts. It came from Sears Christmas wish book.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Had something similar in the mid sixties. A glue together model with working parts. It came from Sears Christmas wish book.

I was just thinking about that. Wasn't it called The Visible V-8?
It would run on "D" cells but the block was clear plastic so although
I had to build it from the inside out I could also watch all the parts
move while the crank turned.

Wow, eBay!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/196919088145

 

[huntergreen]

I was just thinking about that. Wasn't it called The Visible V-8?
It would run on "D" cells but the block was clear plastic so although
I had to build it from the inside out I could also watch all the parts
move while the crank turned.

Wow, eBay!

https://www.ebay.com/itm/196919088145

Exactly! My mother tossed it while I was in the navy.

 

[Burla]

Per @Hemi395

Freak'n Jay pan... The F150!! How the mighty has fallen? The writing was on the wall with the maverick, the next evolution in engines will be the euro model no matter who is in the EPA.

Ford F-150 3.5L EcoBoost Is Now Getting Gasoline Particulate Filters… Here’s Why It Matters

The 2026 Ford F-150 3.5L Ecoboost Twin Turbo V6 is losing Horsepower because EPA mandating GASOLINE PARTICULATE FILTERS. we discuss how this is going to effe...

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[HEMIMANN]

And therrrrrrre it is. EPA micromanaging after outliving their mission to save their now no-benefit make-work jobs.

 

[Burla]

It's not green which is the real fiasco. What happens when you burn anything except water? GPF take a harmless particle and coverts into a gas after the gpf burns it. A gas which the greenies said was a greenhouse gas only after the 2012 administration I wont mention the name, said it was. It's not like an oil filter, it doesn't capture it and put it back in the ground where it came from harmlessly, instead it burns it. Not directing this to any individual, just agreeing with Brian's point here. I am missing the point here other then Jay Pan, the only thing that makes sense is that they need auto dealership sales as a serious tax pool. Goal = the 50k miles engine, or more to the point, the 50k miles vehicle because the cost to fix exceeds the value of the vehicle. It's a rather bad joke they literally steal the value of our vehicles with this scheme. And the cost to the planet is a never ending cycle of mass production of vehicles when vehicles that last a 1/2 million miles would have been the better green goal?

Create an engine that produces more particulates, in order to give up 20 HP in order to burn said particulates, and say it is for the planet? Never a thought to the main issue with these engines, they have to be kept in pristine condition to operate. The GPF does nothing to advance that fact, it doesn't clean the engine or the air.

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[turkeybird56]

Well, if we all ditch our Hemis and get 4 cylinder turbo GDI's, all our Hemi problems will be history, no?

speak fer yerself !!!!

I was seriously considering upgrading from my 2019, to a 2026 Hemi. They initially said there would be just VVT but when they showed up with the friggin E Junkola, that keeps me in my 2019. But my truck does have less than 28K on the odometer, so not like I need to be in a hurry, just wanted a new ride as I usually only do 5 years on a truck and I am already at 7.

 

[HEMIMANN]

speak fer yerself !!!! I was seriously considering upgrading from my 2019, to a 2026 Hemi. They initially said there would be just VVT but when they showed up with the friggin E Junkola, that keeps me in my 2019. But my truck does have less than 28K on the odometer, so not like I need to be in a hurry, just wanted a new ride as I usually only do 5 years on a truck and I am already at 7.

Yeah, the least Kuniskis could have done is not FORCE eTorque on us. I mean, WTF? He says he listened to customers that want a V8. I don't see people clamoring for a 20 year old engine design back - we want a modern V8, but 'ol Sergio & Carlos milked Chrysler for profits so they didn't invest in a new V8 while Ford & GM did.

But he couldn't revive what we wanted. IDK, maybe EPA wouldn't let him based on eTorque test data mileage. Regardless, it's a non-starter for most of us. I guess just let what's left of the company die at this point. It would be well-earned.

 

[HEMIMANN]

It's not green which is the real fiasco. What happens when you burn anything except water? GPF take a harmless particle and coverts into a gas after the gpf burns it. A gas which the greenies said was a greenhouse gas only after the 2012 administration I wont mention the name, said it was. It's not like an oil filter, it doesn't capture it and put it back in the ground where it came from harmlessly, instead it burns it. Not directing this to any individual, just agreeing with Brian's point here. I am missing the point here other then Jay Pan, the only thing that makes sense is that they need auto dealership sales as a serious tax pool. Goal = the 50k miles engine, or more to the point, the 50k miles vehicle because the cost to fix exceeds the value of the vehicle. It's a rather bad joke they literally steal the value of our vehicles with this scheme. And the cost to the planet is a never ending cycle of mass production of vehicles when vehicles that last a 1/2 million miles would have been the better green goal?

Create an engine that produces more particulates, in order to give up 20 HP in order to burn said particulates, and say it is for the planet? Never a thought to the main issue with these engines, they have to be kept in pristine condition to operate. The GPF does nothing to advance that fact, it doesn't clean the engine or the air.

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You saying even with a GPF, GDI exhaust still puts out more particulates than SPFI without a GPF? OY!!!

What a GD mess of a powerplant!!! I was a convert to sequential port fuel injection after they finally perfected it (needed fast enough ECM and CANBUS). After fighting with carburetors for 30 years, I really liked the no-fuss reliability in all weather conditions. Although Chrysler screwed theirs up by only having their software programmed to -20F or something. I remember a guy at work getting towed to warm his engine up ha ha.

But the more you read about GDI and how Mitsubishi misled the entire industry in being first to market in the 90's, the more pi$$ed off I get.