Synthetic Oil

Oil of Choice

  • Castrol Syntec/Edge

    Votes: 254 8.4%
  • Royal Purple

    Votes: 344 11.4%
  • AMSOil

    Votes: 428 14.2%
  • Valvoline Synpower

    Votes: 174 5.8%
  • Mobil 1

    Votes: 1,077 35.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 737 24.5%

  • Total voters
    3,014

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says pao/ester for 40 smokes a gallon, unless your name is rick and you live in Canada, then it's probably 200?

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german made ester additives...

Mannol. I see they have oils as well ester based.
All the talk about additives, I can just hear Lakespeed Jr. in my head saying, "if you using additives in your oil, you're using the wrong oil." LOL
 

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Average price of sold cars in USA this year just reported 47,000 which is 20% more then 2020's $38,000 ish. If you add 2019 that is a 24% increase. Now, any guesses on which brands were the worst and priced their vehicles way about inflation? Um, yup if you guessed stellantis you would be correct.

Only stellantis priced their vehicles 50% more during that time period more then double inflation rate of 23% during this period. Hyundai a close second. Who were the best priced cars during this period, no Toyota or Honda, but rather Nissan and suburbaroo, ha like what I did there?. Toyota was actually 3rd worse despite not having a robust ev buildup. Don't shoot da messenger, just the facts. They are ruining the Mopar name and brand.

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I was dupped, second run a different boat. Kids have it good in some places, looks like fun.

Man I need one of these, anyone have a induction tool?


No lie I spent hours on something that should have taken minutes recent;y because I couldn't find my clamp tool, this hack would have saved me hours replacing that rav 4 radiator vent tube!

 
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Is it mental illness or what? Literally they cant be this stupid? They are bringing back the scout yeah, as an electric truck. And I quote, "Volkswagen is entering the electric off-roader scene". So you are bringing something back from the dead, and to maximize the demand, your choice is to make them all electric? Like 92% of customers don't and wont buy electric, so you do a product launch that at best targets 8% of the population? CHECK


https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a39970134/volkswagen-scout-ev-revival/
According to the report, VW is aiming to ultimately end up selling 250,000 Scout-branded vehicles per year in America. Um, they need one of those crack finding dogs in the VW boardroom cause the ONLY explanation here would be they are high on crack!

ANKEV MAKE & MODEL2022 SALES (NUMBER SOLD)PERCENT GROWTH YOY
1Tesla Model Y251,97432%
2Tesla Model 3211,61874%
3Ford Mustang Mach-E39,45845%
4Chevy Bolt EV/EUV38,12054%
5Tesla Model S32,67585%
6Tesla Model X26,12116%
7Hyundai Ioniq522,982N/A
8VW ID.420,51123%
9Kia EV620,498N/A
10Rivian R1T17,426N/A
 

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@Burla, its simple. Despite what the people want and think, politicians are pushing an agenda, which forces car companies to make these wild decisions.
Because some car companies are focusing on hybrid systems rather than the EVs the politicians want, I saw an article where they were saying hybrid system cause to much strain on the engines.
That certainly can't be the case since there are 20 year old Prius driving around in developing countries without issues.
 

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Back to synthetics -

since a bunch of us have GDI turbo vehicles, which includes the new Stellantis Hurricane engine, I want to get a comparative VOA / UOA of PUP 5W-30 in the latest API SP formula.

This engine architecture is very different the naturally-aspirated, port-injected HEMI engines. As far as we know, the new engines aren't cam-eaters....they're almost all overhead camshafts anyway, with direct oiling. So no super additives needed.

What they do have is added heat and stress from the turbos, and if only a single GDI injector per cylinder, soot and fuel diluting the crankcase oil. I want to see if VII sheardown is excessive and if the oil is saturated with contamination.

We just changed oil on the Mazda CX-5 engine this weekend with PUP 5W-30 SP from a 3 jug boxed order. My plan is to take the samples after winter 5k OCI miles. Should I put the results in Blackstone, even though it's not a Ram truck result? Or bury it in the "Other Makes" Forum?
 

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Put in blackstone thread, it is a very popular oil for hemi.

HPL guys, which formula high moly, low ca, high mag, and low pao? esters and group 3 ok. For perfect di oil.
 

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Put in blackstone thread, it is a very popular oil for hemi.

HPL guys, which formula high moly, low ca, high mag, and low pao? esters and group 3 ok. For perfect di oil.

Oh, yeah, I was just thinking HPL was overkill for 5k OCI's? Then again, I have no idea just how dirty these things get. I'm starting to read horror stories but no collective analytics. Nice things like, they're clogged up @ 80k miles with 3k mile OCI's.

I kind of wish I would have sorted GDI vehicles by number of injectors first before purchasing. But that was 3-1/2 years ago before we knew a lot more about single injector GDI problems.
 

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I have no idea, I am just asking those who know as according to the paper those aspects would make the perfect di oil. Is it worth it? That is another discussion, if you never get lspi on shelf oil even 200k miles in, then no it wasn't worth it.
 

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Ok.
So far, 21,000 miles in, no LSPI that we've heard audibly on PUP 5W-30. I haven't hooked up a diagnostic tool to it to check, though.

This said, a couple model years, including our 2021, Mazda installed valve stem oil seals that leaked. No doubt to reduce valve friction x 16 valves for god knows what infinitesimal gas mileage increase.
The thing was eating a half quart or more of engine oil every 2,500 miles just driving around - no towing or heavy loads. Guess where oil running down valve stems goes?

So this motor has oil covered pistons, valves, turbo turbine blades, and catalyst honeycomb. Wonderful.

Owners complained, the government threatened a recall so Mazada "offered" to replace seals with their newer seals that don't leak so they don't have to recall.

Again, this is all due to EPA's micro-regulating after running out of significant things to do.
*end rant*
 

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I heard a rumor, in about 8 days gas engines making a big time comeback.

However, who makes good gas engines anymore? That is another discussion, does anyone have brand loyalty anymore? Does anyone consider themselves a Mopar guy or a Ford guy? Funny Chevy just discoed the Camaro which is leading to a crisis in NASCAR as they will have a vehicle not in production, I think the first time in their history. I seriously doubt anything new will be worth owning.
 

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I heard a rumor, in about 8 days gas engines making a big time comeback.

However, who makes good gas engines anymore? That is another discussion, does anyone have brand loyalty anymore? Does anyone consider themselves a Mopar guy or a Ford guy? Funny Chevy just discoed the Camaro which is leading to a crisis in NASCAR as they will have a vehicle not in production, I think the first time in their history. I seriously doubt anything new will be worth owning.

I personally like the GM 6.6L in the HD trucks. Pushrod V8 with no AFM.
 

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Back to synthetics -

since a bunch of us have GDI turbo vehicles, which includes the new Stellantis Hurricane engine, I want to get a comparative VOA / UOA of PUP 5W-30 in the latest API SP formula.

This engine architecture is very different the naturally-aspirated, port-injected HEMI engines. As far as we know, the new engines aren't cam-eaters....they're almost all overhead camshafts anyway, with direct oiling. So no super additives needed.

What they do have is added heat and stress from the turbos, and if only a single GDI injector per cylinder, soot and fuel diluting the crankcase oil. I want to see if VII sheardown is excessive and if the oil is saturated with contamination.

We just changed oil on the Mazda CX-5 engine this weekend with PUP 5W-30 SP from a 3 jug boxed order. My plan is to take the samples after winter 5k OCI miles. Should I put the results in Blackstone, even though it's not a Ram truck result? Or bury it in the "Other Makes" Forum?
I would be surprised if you have not already seen this, but in the event that you have not, here is a collection of VOA's, including 3 for PUP 5W-30 SP. These tests are now a couple of years old; not sure if the formula has changed since then. VOA's

I'm using this oil in a turbo 4 banger with dual injection. Not sure that I will stick with it long term but for now I feel that it is better than the recommended 0W-20. I will be looking for your test results and thanks in advance for posting them.
 

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I would be surprised if you have not already seen this, but in the event that you have not, here is a collection of VOA's, including 3 for PUP 5W-30 SP. These tests are now a couple of years old; not sure if the formula has changed since then. VOA's

I'm using this oil in a turbo 4 banger with dual injection. Not sure that I will stick with it long term but for now I feel that it is better than the recommended 0W-20. I will be looking for your test results and thanks in advance for posting them.

Thank you - I had looked b4, and didn't see any, I guess I haven't kept up. I will review tomorrow.

You must have a Toyota? Are they the only one with dual injectors? You changing <5k miles max OCI?

I was just over at B000B's pervuing the smart a$$es, I don't see any great revelations over there, either. Oil detergency, 30 wt, quality base stock, GTL or higher. Short OCI's, etc. Some were saying they scrub intakes @ 50k miles, but why? No fuel spray on them if a single direct injector. The industry has really f'd up GDI.

Saw some hubub about catch cans, but not sure if they have one to route before the turbo compressor. Don't know the PCV routing on this motor, either. I worked on diesels, they went to coalescers to ambient - not a closed loop. Maybe they do now, idk.
 

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I personally like the GM 6.6L in the HD trucks. Pushrod V8 with no AFM.

Yep - I would buy that if I needed an HD truck today. In fact, brother in law just bought one.

But it's another single injector GDI, another soot-blower into the oil. At least it's not turbo'd.
 
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