2014 RAM 1500 Express Crew Cab

[ram1500rsm]

1.6 years with the Clayton 2.5" springs. they don't sag . 1.8 years with the Clayton rear control arms, zero issues, not a single noise, don't have to grease chit in them don't have to even worry about they exist back there. 110k miles on the truck now. Damn.
20211026_113157 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

 

[ram1500rsm]

Gave her a wash this morning,
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[crazykid1994]

1.6 years with the Clayton 2.5" springs. they don't sag . 1.8 years with the Clayton rear control arms, zero issues, not a single noise, don't have to grease chit in them don't have to even worry about they exist back there. 110k miles on the truck now. Damn.
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I can’t find it now but how much lift did those rear springs actually net you? Looking at upgrading from my rear eibach springs to a longer spring so I can get rid of my rear spacer. Not looking for a ton of added load as I like how my eibach feel with my truck setup but want something longer unloaded for my rear shocks.

 

[ram1500rsm]

I can’t find it now but how much lift did those rear springs actually net you? Looking at upgrading from my rear eibach springs to a longer spring so I can get rid of my rear spacer. Not looking for a ton of added load as I like how my eibach feel with my truck setup but want something longer unloaded for my rear shocks.

2" with about 400-500lbs extra weight.

 

[crazykid1994]

2" with about 400-500lbs extra weight.

So it’s actually pretty close to specified lift for the ram as well. Interesting. May look at the icon gladiator rear springs. They’re 1.5” lift. I’ll have to message icon for free length and see if they’ll release spring rate. I’ll have around 300lbs constant weight in the rear between my rear bumper and tire carrier I have planned and my tonneau cover. I plan on adding a water tank as well in the spare tire location. Debating somewhere between 12-20 gallons so 100-150lbs more but not full time. Hoping to drop down to around 1-1.5” rear lift instead of 2”. The extra weight will probably do that but I’d also like to get rid of my rear spacer. I need something around 20.5-21” free length though because I’m running the longer bilstein 5160

 

[ram1500rsm]

So it’s actually pretty close to specified lift for the ram as well. Interesting. May look at the icon gladiator rear springs. They’re 1.5” lift. I’ll have to message icon for free length and see if they’ll release spring rate. I’ll have around 300lbs constant weight in the rear between my rear bumper and tire carrier I have planned and my tonneau cover. I plan on adding a water tank as well in the spare tire location. Debating somewhere between 12-20 gallons so 100-150lbs more but not full time. Hoping to drop down to around 1-1.5” rear lift instead of 2”. The extra weight will probably do that but I’d also like to get rid of my rear spacer. I need something around 20.5-21” free length though because I’m running the longer bilstein 5160

Unfortuantely Icon doesn't disclose anything that relates to specs on anything they make. I couldn't get them to tell me something as silly as their spring free length on the Icon 1.5" RAM springs, but you'll find that info in the excel spreadsheets i have posted in the lifted section somwhere. The admins around never added the post to the stickies, not sure what else is needed to do something like that, hint hint to the mods ? any mods around ? Lol

Clayton JT rear 2.5" springs will lift a stock crew cab 4th Gen RAM 1500 2.5"
Will do 1.5" more on a stock 5th Gen RAM 1500 with ORP
Claytons COR-1510251 have a 21.5" free length, The Icon specific RAM 1.5" coils are 19.5" long
Clayton spring triple rate : 159lbs 1st, 280lbs 2nd, 360lbs 3rd rate

You also have the Synergy 2" JT rear coils that @hodge-xj is running
Synergy 8865-20, they're 20.375" long (measured by hodge), dual spring rates, 165lbs 1st, 250lbs 2nd

If you need more they have 2,3,4 and 2.5 3.5 and 4.5" springs
Or you can try rear JT springs from any manufacturer there is out there, the sky is the limit now for us when it comes to rear springs, or rear control arms, or rear trackbars, anything from the rear of the 2020 JT when it comes to this parts should be literally a direct fit for us. the only difference in the springs is the upper portion of the JT spring is wider so RAM specific rear upper spacers won't fit. lower is the same as ours.

In contrats to for example BDS 3" linear springs, they have a 240 ft/lbs rate, and are 20.875" long.


Have fun.

 

[Spark3y]

Nice looking truck I am also in SoCal near the rose bowl

 

[crazykid1994]

Those synergy springs look nice. May end up with those. 250lb per inch too. That’s probably right where I need it for the weight I’ll be adding. Should net me 1.5” lift when loaded And should work with my shocks. My shocks are 27.6 inch extended length

 

[hodge-xj]

Every time I see you post pics of those clayton bits I just wanna spend all the money. Once I pay this thing off I think it'll be time to treat it to a bunch of nice fresh parts

 

[ram1500rsm]

Waiting patiently for Black Friday Discounts. In the meantime we're just enjoying the weather. 85F day literally on the 3rd week of November. Darn Southern Cali

 

[Treburkulosis]

Its in the 80s here in Texas as well. Not hot tho thank goodness. What are you going to get next?

 

[ram1500rsm]

Its in the 80s here in Texas as well. Not hot tho thank goodness. What are you going to get next?

Plan was to get a skid for my bumper from the same manufacturer. Which i see have they posted 10% off today to honor their Black Friday sale.

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[ram1500rsm]

And i just ordered the damn thing

 

[ram1500rsm]

I did some testing thinking to help the community on a thread we had running last year where we were discussing where to put the flexy joints from your rear control arms, frame or axel. I said Frame, somebody say axel, we went back and forth but we never concluded anything.

So yesterday i was doing some testing on my Jeep front Antirock setup
20211120_123229 by RAM RSM, on Flickr

and i took the opportunity to observe what the rear control arm bushings were doing and that thread we had here came to mind, so here are the results from my observations. You want your flexy bushings on the frame (assuming you have arms with clevite on one side and flex bushings on the other side), In this case we were discusing Core4x4 T3 arms, if you have Claytons or any other arms with flex bushings on boths sides it wouldn't matter, if you have JJ on one side and flex bushings on the other put the JJ on the frame as the the bushings at the frame do most of the flexy work.

Core 4x4 reinstallation.

This post is for the off-roaders. My setup is the Tier 3 5 link system in red. Now originally I installed the bars with the Johnny Joints attached to the frame. For my intent and purpose this is wrong. It's wrong in my situation for one simple reason. I need the flex of the Johnny Joints...

www.ramforum.com

So to save time from the entire read this is a copy and paste from my post#43 there

"Hi Red. bringing this from the past to show you where the bushings put out the flex. I was doing some testing today with my Jeep and the bushings happened to be there to show me how they react to one wheel drooping so i thought about this thread


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My lowers arms are all Clayton overland+ with the Giiro bushings, the uppers are factory clevite.
So with one wheel droop:

Rear lower at frame side, look at how much that bushing is doing the work.

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Rear upper Frame side, the lowers flex a lot more than the uppers but even then look at how the bushing is binding a little since clevite doesn't twist side to side like flex joints do

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Now lets look at the axel side
Rear lower at frame side, there is a little flex there, but it's not the same as what we see in the frame. I'll say it's virtually nothing in there.

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Rear Upper axel side, little flex as well.


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The stock rear shocks on my Jeep were 22 1/8" extended, the current rears are 26" so they're literally 4" longer than stock. I'd think this is why mostly every other manufacturer out there with rare exceptions put the flex joint in the frame side.
Sorry it took me a year to be bothered enough to do the test "

 

[RamRodJay]

You also have the Synergy 2" JT rear coils that @hodge-xj is running
Synergy 8865-20, they're 20.375" long (measured by hodge), dual spring rates, 165lbs 1st, 250lbs 2nd

If you need more they have 2,3,4 and 2.5 3.5 and 4.5" springs

Been following your build for a bit and found some inspiration here and there.

For what it's worth, Im running synergy's 3" rear spring on my 1500, have had them on for about the last 5 months, no sagging thus far. RTT and a good 200lbs combined worth of gear in my ramboxes. 40.5" ride height on passenger side, just a hair under 39.25" on driver side. Still on 265/70/17 Pat's that have about 5k left of life on them, have a set of 35's Kenda Klever RT's sitting here waiting to be installed.

I do have that typical 4th gen lean--guessing a spacer will fix that? I dont have the control arm or panhard bar upgrades (yet). School has wrecked me this semester and just havent had time to order/spend the money much less find the time to install with everything else going on.

 

[ram1500rsm]

Been following your build for a bit and found some inspiration here and there.

For what it's worth, Im running synergy's 3" rear spring on my 1500, have had them on for about the last 5 months, no sagging thus far. RTT and a good 200lbs combined worth of gear in my ramboxes. 40.5" ride height on passenger side, just a hair under 39.25" on driver side. Still on 265/70/17 Pat's that have about 5k left of life on them, have a set of 35's Kenda Klever RT's sitting here waiting to be installed.

I do have that typical 4th gen lean--guessing a spacer will fix that? I dont have the control arm or panhard bar upgrades (yet). School has wrecked me this semester and just havent had time to order/spend the money much less find the time to install with everything else going on.

Glad to be able to help our community and inspire some builds.
A spacer on that side where you have the lean will fix your issue right up.
Ebay has some 1/2" rear spacers for the RAM for example

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[hodge-xj]

Can confirm, toss in a spacer and load it heavier to passenger side.

As always solid info from the man himself! Thanks D!

 

[RamRodJay]

A spacer on that side where you have the lean will fix your issue right up.

Can confirm, toss in a spacer and load it heavier to passenger side.

So, question on the spacer aspect. You had mentioned a half incher.

Since im roughly ~1.25" sagging on the driver side (measurement was taken around a half tank of gas, assuming itll drop a smidge with a full tank), should I be aiming for a 1.5" spacer, 1" spacer or .5" spacer to level it out somewhat..

I can definitely shift some weight/heavier gear over to the passenger side, but not a whole lot more

 

[ram1500rsm]

Measure with a full tank all 4 corners to make sure before you get the spacer.

1" spacer

https://www.amazon.com/MotoFab-Lifts-DR-1R-Dodge-Pickup/dp/B073H7WZNM

1.5" spacer

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[RamRodJay]

So topped off the gas tank completely and here's what I got (measuring from ground to top arch of wheel well) ..keep in mind, my newer tread tire is on the passenger front currently, so circumference may be adding a hair or two to measurements:

LF - 37 21/32
RF - 38 13/32
LR - 38 23/32
RR - 40 19/32

So in other words, I have ~ 3/4" lean on the front towards the driver side and ~ 1.875" lean on the rear driver side (full tank of gas)--which would also explain the ****** off girlfriend every time she hops in the truck haha.

Im guessing a 1.5" spacer tossed in the rear driver corner will level it out (still would have ~3/8" lean but i can live with that/still load the passenger side of the truck heavy to compensate.

Does that sound correct?