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There is a large debate as to whether or not oil catch cans are worth the money or not. This article is dedicated to providing a very detailed explanation showing why a catch can is highly recommended in direct injection engine applications.

First, let's go over what is currently happening in your engine without a catch can installed. All internal combustion engines that run off gasoline are 4 stroke engines. This means that the piston has to go up and down a total of 4 times to complete a cycle. The piston first goes down with the intake valves open creating a vacuum. This draws in the cool dense air for combustion. At the same time, fuel is injected into the cylinder. The intake valves close and then the piston rises up towards the top of the cylinder. This compression creates an immense build-up of pressure in the cylinder. The only things containing this high pressure are the cylinder itself, the piston and the piston rings that seat against the walls of the cylinder. The intake and exhaust valves are obviously closed as well. The pressure is so high that a very small amount of the air escapes around the piston and piston rings into the crankcase. This is called blow-by. The amount of blow-by increases as the engine RPMs rise. Also, an engine with more cylinders will have more blow-by. Obviously not all of the air escapes or else combustion wouldn't take place. A diagram of the 4-stroke cycle can be seen below. Only the first 2 steps are relevant in regards to the catch can.



Inside the crankcase, you have the crank which is turning in the oil pan which is full of oil. This keeps it properly lubricated. PCV or positive crankcase ventilation is necessary to ensure there isn't a build up of pressure in the crankcase. This would cause the crankcase to possibly crack under the pressure and create a huge mess of oil on the street. So the PCV system removes the pressure from the crankcase and reverts it back through the intake tract via crank case vents. This pressure isn't made up of 100% air. It will also contain a very small amount of oil as well since there is so much in the oil pan at a high temperature. This air and oil mixture is then entered somewhere after the intake system, passes through the intercooler (if you car is turbo or supercharged) and then re-enters the combustion chamber (cylinder) through your intake valves to be re-burned. The oil will actually coat everything on its way back to the combustion chamber. It will develop in the intercooler, boost hoses, intake manifold and intake valves. Just on the other side of these valves is where the combustion is taking place where the temperatures are extremely high. This is what actually causes the oil to solidify on the valves. With the oil passing through the intercooler, it can actually coat the cooling fins which will hinder the intercooler's ability to cool the air therefore lowering the efficiency.

The caking on intake valves is only a problem with direct injection engines. For all other engines that use port injection, the gas is introduced before the combustion chamber which means it flows over the intake valves and enter the combustion chamber premixed with the air. This action of the fuel flowing over the intake valves actually cleans the valves from any oil that make already be on there. The oil never has the chance to cake on the valves in port injection engines.

Having oil caked onto your intake valves can cause the following symptoms:
Knocking
Pre-ignition
Loss in power
Loss in fuel economy
Here is an image of carbon build-up on valves. Yes, it's nasty. :)



This is mainly due to the fact that the air that comes through your intake system and goes into the combustion chamber won't just be air. It will contain some oil particles which cause the combustion process to be slightly less efficient.

You might ask why do car manufacturers revert this crankcase pressure back into the intake tract? Well, for starters there isn't anywhere safe to revert it to and you can't expel it into the atmosphere because it's not environmentally friendly and is considered to not be street legal.

Another question that arises is why isn't a catch can included from the factory? Well it's pretty simple actually. Most people don't even change their oil (scary but true) so will they think to empty the catch can regularly? The answer is obviously and unfortunately, no.

An oil catch can does just that. It catches or prevents the oil from re-entering the intake tract. A catch can is placed right after the PCV and before the intercooler. This means that a more pure (sometimes 100% pure) air mixture will go through the intercooler and intake valves. A more pure air mixture entering the intake valves means no caking and none of the symptoms listed above.

An oil catch can typically uses steel wool or a baffle system that removes the oil from the air-oil mixture. Higher quality cans use the baffle systems since it is less messy and better at separating the mixture. The oil falls to the bottom of the can where it is stored until the can is emptied.

An oil catch can doesn't add any power or make any cool noises so it is often overlooked when modifying vehicles. However, a catch can will ensure you are always running the most power possible by having a cleaner intake tract free.
 

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thay should make this a sticky....great info on here.
 

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Nice write-up. Somehow I suspect the technology haters and engineering Luddites will still fire their slings and arrows.
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Great post. Having seen what the catch can collects, I would not even consider driving a hemi vehicle without having a catch can installed. I had 1 on my wife's 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee before she even had 200 miles on the car.
 

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I agree these are a great add on.. but my question is why isnt this something done by RAM if it seems to end up being so critical to them life of the engine etc... I know in the turbo world of small cars they are use alot. hmmmm....
 

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I agree these are a great add on.. but my question is why isnt this something done by RAM if it seems to end up being so critical to them life of the engine etc... I know in the turbo world of small cars they are use alot. hmmmm....

Re read the original post. Here is a line that I just copied out of there...

"Another question that arises is why isn't a catch can included from the factory? Well it's pretty simple actually. Most people don't even change their oil (scary but true) so will they think to empty the catch can regularly? The answer is obviously and unfortunately, no."

If these were standard mods, there are many people that would either forget to empty the can or not know that they have to empty the can. Allowing it to fill up and dump straight oil into the intake manifold is worse than not having the can at all, so that is why this is not standard equipment.
 

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Sorry at work and didnt read the entire thing. haha my bad.

Eventually this will become standard equipment that the dealership or lube place will emply along with the oil change. Become Standard practice.
 

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Are there any suggestions for a brand of "baffle system" oil catch cans? For a 2012 1500 Hemi?
 

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Great write up, it's something we've been dealing with for years and it's just become one of those things that is a must for a modded hemi engine.

Nice write-up. Somehow I suspect the technology haters and engineering Luddites will still fire their slings and arrows.
:waytogo:

The only issue I ever have with catch cans is when people call them a performance mod, which they aren't. They are a maintenance and longevity mod, similar to underdrive pulleys and running grade IV synthetic oils; they don't help the engine make more power, they just help reduce losses in the system. I know it's a matter of semantics, but I'm like that.
 

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Very nice write-up.
Now I feel I need to buy one asap.
 

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Re read the original post. Here is a line that I just copied out of there...

"Another question that arises is why isn't a catch can included from the factory? Well it's pretty simple actually. Most people don't even change their oil (scary but true) so will they think to empty the catch can regularly? The answer is obviously and unfortunately, no."

If these were standard mods, there are many people that would either forget to empty the can or not know that they have to empty the can. Allowing it to fill up and dump straight oil into the intake manifold is worse than not having the can at all, so that is why this is not standard equipment.

This kind of makes me chuckle
Its certainly true, I just think its funny how quick people these on trucks when they find out what they do but scoff at the idea of having to add DEF fluid to their trucks every oil change
 

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If Burla aprroves this thread.... then I approve.... he is my resident oil expert.

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Common now, I am definitely not an expert on catch cans. In my none expert opinion, I would say catch can is worth it just for the attention it forces the driver to have on the PCV. Because you have to often change the oil in the catch can, if there isn't any oil you know your PCV is clogged, and needs to be fixed asap. People driving with clogged PCV is probably the single worst thing we do to our cars. If that added any value to the extensive thread, cool.



This thread was definitely Burla approved and I learned quite a bit as well.
 

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I'm just still up in the air over these catch cans as I know guys that have been running their lightly modded Hemis for years/+100K miles with no problems. And does anyone have any idea how many PPM of oil it takes to lower a gallon of gasoline one RON?
Just a couple issues with this article though:
The Hemi is not a direct injection engine and the article contradicts itself in regards to the intercooler:

"...This air and oil mixture is then entered somewhere after the intake system, passes through the intercooler.....With the oil passing through the intercooler, it can actually coat the cooling fins which will hinder the intercooler's ability..."

Besides, a turbo charged intake system is pressurized, this would hold the PCV closed or pressurize the crank case.
 
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If you were to look at knock retard on 2 trucks running a 93 octane tune with 93 octane fuel, the truck without a catch can is going to have more knock retard, thus causing the computer to pull timing, and create a loss of power. This is why the custom tuners sometimes require you to have a catch can before writing a tune for your truck.

On a stock truck, its not as big of a deal. If the truck is stock, then performance is obviously not a top priority. If performance is important to you, then this is a must have upgrade.
 

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I wasn't gonna jump into the catch can discussion again, but then I heard someone was knocking *******...?! :argue: :doh2:
 

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I'm not saying I'm against catch cans, or even the $100 or so to be safe rather than sorry; I would just like to see some true independent/scientific testing numbers. There are too many variables when simply running two different trucks (a 1/8th less tire wear would increase load, differences in drivetrain wear, slight variances in sensor inputs..... and so on).
 

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I'm not saying I'm against catch cans, or even the $100 or so to be safe rather than sorry; I would just like to see some true independent/scientific testing numbers. There are too many variables when simply running two different trucks (a 1/8th less tire wear would increase load, differences in drivetrain wear, slight variances in sensor inputs..... and so on).

I did some independent scientific testing. I found the following:

1) Removed small plastic hose running from pcv to intake.
2) Installed catch can, took 10 minutes
3) Drove truck for 500 miles
4) Went back to catch can and unscrewed it
5) It caught oil in between my pcv and intake!!!

Conclusion was this: The catch can caught oil that would otherwise have been in my engine. Works as advertised!! =O
 

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Yep, I get that, but you forgot to mention what your crank case pressures were at various RPM/load ranges before and after, vacuum readings up and down stream of the can, emission and O2 readings before and after..... I understand the potential long term benefit of keeping oil out of the intake, but will catch can affect the engine in the long term in any way by altering pressures/airflow?
 
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