Hemi tick?

[Carven290]

Hey there , I'm new here and decided to share a video on a ticking sound I hear after my first oil change. Long story short I had a full lifter job done because of a warm idle tick and when I got it back it was nice and quite even when I drove it like I stole it sometimes .... but when my oil change was getting close to 4.5k miles I decided to do the change with Mobil 1 5w-20 and a wix xp filter , drove it for a bit and when i step out my truck i hear a ticking sound when idle on operating temp. I thought it was the oil so I changed to PUP 5w-20 with a rinesol additive for lifter noise , i drove it for 50 miles tick was still there so i changed it to mobil 1 5w-30 and tick got a bit quite but was still there so I did 1 more change with liqui moly special tech 5w20 and lubeguard biotech and tick is still there but ima put some miles on it before I decide to go to the dealership( i hear the lubeguard sometimes takes a bit to quite down the lifters?)my truck is a 2018 ram 5.7L with 97,000 miles currently Hemi tick?

 

[jws123]

Sounds just like mine after I did my lifters Find out what lifters they used. I used aftermarket and its loud just like this im 50k miles In its annoying to me so im replacing them soon. however No Hemi will ever have a quiet hot idle its normal at this point Just keep driving it also 90% of use use 5w30 20 is to thin.

 

[Carven290]

I looked up my invoice and the part # for the lifters they used is #5038788AD hydraulic deactivating lifter , i went to mopar website and looks like they are oem , I'm just a bit confused on how they started getting noisy after an oil change ? I did notice on cold start there is a tick noise for like 1-2 seconds then gets quite but after driving for a bit the lifters start to get loud.

 

[jws123]

I looked up my invoice and the part # for the lifters they used is #5038788AD hydraulic deactivating lifter , i went to mopar website and looks like they are oem , I'm just a bit confused on how they started getting noisy after an oil change ? I did notice on cold start there is a tick noise for like 1-2 seconds then gets quite but after driving for a bit the lifters start to get loud.

the 1-2 second tick is normal the mds lifters bleed down when truck sits over night .The next oil change go back to 5w30 and just drive it if you someday get a missfire then worry about it or if the place who did the work will warranty their work let them look at it.

 

[Carven290]

the 1-2 second tick is normal the mds lifters bleed down when truck sits over night .The next oil change go back to 5w30 and just drive it if you someday get a missfire then worry about it or if the place who did the work will warranty their work let them look at it

Ok thanks for the input , I'll swing by and let them know.

 

[J-13GTP]

Was this a dealer or independent shop. Amazon, ebay and other third party sites sale "Genuine OEM parts" that are cheap knock offs that fail soon after first start. Lifters need to be bought from the dealer or a repeatable parts dealer.

About your tick, it sounds like you have the dreaded hemi lifter failure. You can try to different oils but you should probably open up your filters and inspect them for metal material. If you have any glitter in the oil your cam is probably toast.

 

[Barr2255]

Like mentioned, cut open one of those filters. Although there maybe residual metal still floating around in the system especially if they didn’t pull the pan. I’ve done 5 oil changes since my lifter and cam swap and this last oil filter there finally wasn’t any metal dust.

With that said, did they replace all the lifters or just the one? If they didn’t replace them all I bet another one has failed.

When I replaced mine I had one destroyed lifter but a couple others had wear and the some of the other cam lobes had wear.

If that’s the case and they only replaced the “Bad” one I’d try an get them to comp the labor charge and you buy the parts to replace the rest of the lifters.

 

[Burla]

It is possible it can take lubegard a while to plate, it depends on if it is the moly or esters that is working in any given vehicle and yes every tick is different. Higher pressure worse ticks seam to use the moly to plate, lesser ticks seam to use esters to "plate" or go quiet. That is the science, moly is a metal and esters are just oil hints at the complexity of this lubrication issue. If I had a nickel for everytime someone with a tick changed lifters with no code only to still have tick, I'd be getting some money in my accounts. Having said all of that, I don't hear much here as far as tick. Now, if it gets worse, the main suspect would be push rods after a lifter/cam. If it doesn't get worse or better, nuke it with redline HP 5w30 and a RP 20-820 filter. That will tell you the story one way or the other. I wouldn't abandon the strategy you are on for a while, give it some times and miles.

 

[Carven290]

Was this a dealer or independent shop. Amazon, ebay and other third party sites sale "Genuine OEM parts" that are cheap knock offs that fail soon after first start. Lifters need to be bought from the dealer or a repeatable parts dealer.

About your tick, it sounds like you have the dreaded hemi lifter failure. You can try to different oils but you should probably open up your filters and inspect them for metal material. If you have any glitter in the oil your cam is probably toast.

It was an independent shop, but I canceled the contract i had and bought a maxcare plan through ram a while ago before the ticking started , I plan on taking it to them to have them inspect it .

 

[Carven290]

Like mentioned, cut open one of those filters. Although there maybe residual metal still floating around in the system especially if they didn’t pull the pan. I’ve done 5 oil changes since my lifter and cam swap and this last oil filter there finally wasn’t any metal dust.

With that said, did they replace all the lifters or just the one? If they didn’t replace them all I bet another one has failed.

When I replaced mine I had one destroyed lifter but a couple others had wear and the some of the other cam lobes had wear.

If that’s the case and they only replaced the “Bad” one I’d try an get them to comp the labor charge and you buy the parts to replace the rest of the lifters.

I'm guessing the camshaft had some wear but they didn't check it and that's why the ticking came back? I'm just guessing here or could be some knock off parts they got from my warranty and that's why they did not last so long .

 

[Carven290]

It is possible it can take lubegard a while to plate, it depends on if it is the moly or esters that is working in any given vehicle and yes every tick is different. Higher pressure worse ticks seam to use the moly to plate, lesser ticks seam to use esters to "plate" or go quiet. That is the science, moly is a metal and esters are just oil hints at the complexity of this lubrication issue. If I had a nickel for everytime someone with a tick changed lifters with no code only to still have tick, I'd be getting some money in my accounts. Having said all of that, I don't hear much here as far as tick. Now, if it gets worse, the main suspect would be push rods after a lifter/cam. If it doesn't get worse or better, nuke it with redline HP 5w30 and a RP 20-820 filter. That will tell you the story one way or the other. I wouldn't abandon the strategy you are on for a while, give it some times and miles.

I'm starting to think the lifters are going out because of just how loud it is every time I drive it here is another vid that has a better audio on the tick
Part 2

 

[Burla]

I'm starting to think the lifters are going out because of just how loud it is every time I drive it here is another vid that has a better audio on the tick
Part 2

The lifters arent going out whatever that is, push rods are the suspect if it gets louder, that happens a lot after lifter/cam, they tend to bend if they weren't cupped right. If it is push rods or a bent push rod, it will just get worse and never better. I don't know that is what I heard at this point.

You say the second it happened was on new 5w20 oil and not one minute before? The best known tick killer is 5w30 redline HP with a high flow filter, look up polls in my sig and read them.

 

[dchapma1957]

20 is too thin? That is the recommended weight. I put 30 in my Hemi after doong the cam lifters and it ticked until I put in 5W-20 Mobil 1 - now it is as quiet as a mouse. I am no buying the whole 30 weight is better thing.

 

[Wild one]

I'm guessing the camshaft had some wear but they didn't check it and that's why the ticking came back? I'm just guessing here or could be some knock off parts they got from my warranty and that's why they did not last so long .

By the looks of that bill,they put all the same lifters in the engine,when 8 lifters should be mds lifters and 8 should be non-mds lifters,unless they changed to a high performance cam and tuned the truck to run all non-mds lifters.

 

[Blaze2021]

How do I know if my lifters need changing. I get a ticking noise also. 67000 klm on truck. What is the average cost to replace.

 

[Burla]

20 is too thin? That is the recommended weight. I put 30 in my Hemi after doong the cam lifters and it ticked until I put in 5W-20 Mobil 1 - now it is as quiet as a mouse. I am no buying the whole 30 weight is better thing.

So there is a poll or 2 and a thread with 100's of ram forum members. You left out plenty of info, it isn't just 20 versus 30 weight, it is a specific high performance oil that is borderline more of a racing oil then shelf oil with many features that stick to metal. But regardless, people should use whatever works, in your case 20 weight work, sounds good. There are a few just like you, so it isn't totally rare, but the larger group gets relief from viscosity changes and/or high performance formulas. 80% of people that use 5w30 redline kill their tick, as in when that oil is put in a ticking engine 80% of it is erased or substantially better, most engines it kills the tick. That information is not from me, but long trusted members here, votes are public. If you are still not buying it it's ok with me cause I am not selling anything. Bottom line if you have hemi tick try some different things, don't settle with the tick unless you like it.

redline erased hemi tick 62 votes

redline partially killed tick 28 votes

redline didn't kill tick at all 15 votes.

 

[Burla]

How do I know if my lifters need changing. I get a ticking noise also. 67000 klm on truck. What is the average cost to replace.

you get a mis fire code, specific to a given cylinder, which tells you that cylinder cam lob is wiped. Prices are all over the board, oil control valve tells you if it is a good idea to replace or if you need a new engine.

 

[White six four]

By the looks of that bill,they put all the same lifters in the engine,when 8 lifters should be mds lifters and 8 should be non-mds lifters,unless they changed to a high performance cam and tuned the truck to run all non-mds lifters.

And why replace lifters and leave the old cam in there?

 

[Black1500Ram]

I'm guessing the camshaft had some wear but they didn't check it and that's why the ticking came back? I'm just guessing here or could be some knock off parts they got from my warranty and that's why they did not last so long .

Three THOUSAND five hundred dollars for lifters? Are you f’n s’n me!?!?

The whole set is $700 from the dealer.
Jesus

**Edit** ok price has gone up but still $1000 not THREE

The truck needs 2ea of these sets

Front lifters
Rear Lifters

Sorry I couldn’t make it past that before commenting… going back to read now.

 

[Barr2255]

By the looks of that bill,they put all the same lifters in the engine,when 8 lifters should be mds lifters and 8 should be non-mds lifters,unless they changed to a high performance cam and tuned the truck to run all non-mds lifters.

I noticed that as well, also noticed there was no cam on the invoice…. Did they leave a chewed up cam in and just slap new lifter in? Yikes….