I have the 5.7 Hemi Tick.

[Wild one]

Must've updated before '16. Had a bad lifter in my '15 that I've had since Sept. of '17 with 28,600 miles. Failed at 201k miles. Lifter only had 13 needles in it.
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Unless mine had a lifter job before I got it.

To tell you the truth Ed,i'm pretty sure the lifters were updated way back in 09 when they went to VVT,everybody seems to think it was 16,but i've found lifters before that ,that had the bigger needles.I think it was a phase in over probably a year or more though.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I watched the video, it just seemed to me like a typical Hemi lifter failure from use as a service vehicle with lots of idling. The guy didn't say how many miles it had or for sure how it was used, but most folks I know get heavy duty trucks for towing, and they're big in the contractor world where they go to a job site and let them idle to keep warm in the cab. It's ONLY a problem for the Hemi and GDI engines.

Anyway, I knew were the EGR was buried cause I looked it up on schematics when I was getting my exhaust manifolds planed flat. We had discussed scrubbing it, but decided against based on mileage and usage (I idle hardly at all).

That said, this vehicle needs a breather coalescer more than the Mazda - cause it has none! At least Mazda put one on of some value.

 

[Burla]

To tell you the truth Ed,i'm pretty sure the lifters were updated way back in 09 when they went to VVT,everybody seems to think it was 16,but i've found lifters before that ,that had the bigger needles.I think it was a phase in over probably a year or more though.

Seams like we both are right, didn't know about 2019 though.

Ram Hemi engines received upgraded needle bearings in the lifters in 2009, though a new version was introduced in 2016 for certain MDS (Multi-Displacement System) models, and a final update superseded all previous lifter part numbers in early 2019. The 2009 upgrade was a revision to address early failures, but it's reported that these lifters were still prone to issues. A subsequent, heavier-duty version was introduced in 2016, and a final update to the part numbers was made in early 2019

 

[Wild one]

Seams like we both are right, didn't know about 2019 though.

Ram Hemi engines received upgraded needle bearings in the lifters in 2009, though a new version was introduced in 2016 for certain MDS (Multi-Displacement System) models, and a final update superseded all previous lifter part numbers in early 2019. The 2009 upgrade was a revision to address early failures, but it's reported that these lifters were still prone to issues. A subsequent, heavier-duty version was introduced in 2016, and a final update to the part numbers was made in early 2019

But that's still to be proven Mike,as i haven't seen anybody disect all 3 versions side by side. It can't even be proven the picture of the 2 lifters that are disected that one isn't an earlier non-vvt hemi lifter.
If they were updated why are 2020+ engines still suffering lifter failures,same with 16 to 19 engines,they suffer lifter failure just as much as the 09's do.
Eds lifter proves the updated versions were in play before 2016

 

[HEMIMANN]

But that's still to be proven Mike,as i haven't seen anybody disect all 3 versions side by side. It can't even be proven the picture of the 2 lifters that are disected that one isn't an earlier non-vvt hemi lifter.
If they were updated why are 2020+ engines still suffering lifter failures,same with 16 to 19 engines,they suffer lifter failure just as much as the 09's do.
Eds lifter proves the updated versions were in play before 2016

We don't know what the failure rates are. IDK of any reliable database that has meaningful data that tracks this - except closely held internal corporate data. Tach Tech once described failure rates he saw at his one dealership (~10%?) during the period of time he was there. That's a small snapshot in time.

Can't understand why there wasn't more - seems there's lots of data on failure rates for GM's L87 V8 crank bearing. Maybe because class action lawsuit opened up GM's records during lawyer "discovery"? Seems lawsuits are the only thing that force OEM's to cough up real fixes?

 

[Wild one]

We don't know what the failure rates are. IDK of any reliable database that has meaningful data that tracks this - except closely held internal corporate data. Tach Tech once described failure rates he saw at his one dealership (~10%?) during the period of time he was there. That's a small snapshot in time.

Can't understand why there wasn't more - seems there's lots of data on failure rates for GM's L87 V8 crank bearing. Maybe because class action lawsuit opened up GM's records during lawyer "discovery"? Seems lawsuits are the only thing that force OEM's to cough up real fixes?

Do a search on here,there was an attempt at a lawsuit,but it didn;t get very far.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Do a search on here,there was an attempt at a lawsuit,but it didn;t get very far.

Yeah I saw them. More than once.
Without a suit filed, there's no disclosing Hemi cam failure rates.

 

[maillemaker]

Has anyone listened to my video?

Here are 2 more from tonight. It seems to be getting worse. I'd swear it was coming from the exhaust. But they just replaced the manifolds and studs. I will need to break out my stethescope.

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[Wild one]

Has anyone listened to my video?

Here are 2 more from tonight. It seems to be getting worse. I'd swear it was coming from the exhaust. But they just replaced the manifolds and studs. I will need to break out my stethescope.

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Might be time to pull the valve covers and look for a rocker that isn't moving as much as the others.

 

[EdGs]

Eds lifter proves the updated versions were in play before 2016

I got my truck 9/24/17, with 28,684 miles.

I believe the build date was Nov. of 2014

I'd love to see failed lifters from those later updated years, to see what the updates are.

 

[Curmudgeon]

I got my truck 9/24/17, with 28,684 miles.

I believe the build date was Nov. of 2014

I'd love to see failed lifters from those later updated years, to see what the updates are.

Interesting, and close! My 2014 shows a build date of 9-14, first sold in March 2015.

 

[Wild one]

I got my truck 9/24/17, with 28,684 miles.

I believe the build date was Nov. of 2014

I'd love to see failed lifters from those later updated years, to see what the updates are.

I seen a video a few years back where the lifters out of a 14 also had the 13 bigger pins,that's when i started to think the update was done in 09

 

[snipez]

hi

maillemaker I have just aquired a 2016 ram hemi that sounds 100% to your last 2 video audio posts. Let me know what you find out about it please! Thank you.​

 

[maillemaker]

hi

maillemaker I have just aquired a 2016 ram hemi that sounds 100% to your last 2 video audio posts. Let me know what you find out about it please! Thank you.​

I don't know if you saw my updates, but I had the exhaust manifold and studs replaced and it still sounds like this, so it wasn't the exhaust.

I'm about to order the Redline oil and filter as recommended but I'm skeptical of any "mechanic in a bottle" solution. If the lifter/cam has been damaged enough to cause this kind of racket it's unlikely oil is going to help but I will try it.

 

[Wild one]

I don't know if you saw my updates, but I had the exhaust manifold and studs replaced and it still sounds like this, so it wasn't the exhaust.

I'm about to order the Redline oil and filter as recommended but I'm skeptical of any "mechanic in a bottle" solution. If the lifter/cam has been damaged enough to cause this kind of racket it's unlikely oil is going to help but I will try it.

It's not that hard to remove the intake manifold on a hemi,and then you could pull the vvt solenoid and look it over for metal flakes/filings,if it's covered in metal,you'll probably want to stop driving it asap,and you might get away with just doing a cam and lifters

 

[EdGs]

I don't know if you saw my updates, but I had the exhaust manifold and studs replaced and it still sounds like this, so it wasn't the exhaust.

I'm about to order the Redline oil and filter as recommended but I'm skeptical of any "mechanic in a bottle" solution. If the lifter/cam has been damaged enough to cause this kind of racket it's unlikely oil is going to help but I will try it.

It's not that hard to remove the intake manifold on a hemi,and then you could pull the vvt solenoid and look it over for metal flakes/filings,if it's covered in metal,you'll probably want to stop driving it asap,and you might get away with just doing a cam and lifters

If you put your stethascope along the top of the block where the head(s) join to it, you should be able to hear if it's the lifters making the noise.

As Rick, aka @Wild one stated, pulling the intake manifold and the oil control valve (vvt solenoid) will tell the tale.

I personally would not use the RedLine unless you find no evidence of a lifter issue with the stethascope or inspection of the vvt solenoid screens.

I did watch a video where a guy ran a qt of trans fluid with his oil, and it totally silenced his tick. Scares the pi$$ out of me, but I know some old-timers swear by it. I am just relaying info not advocating it.

Wish you the best.

 

[EdGs]

Here's the video I was talking about:

Try This $7 Fix For Collapsed Lifter First! - DIY Valve Lifter Repair Guide

Is your Ram, Ford, or GM vehicle making a ticking noise or have a misfire at idle? Maybe its even worse, and it has lumpy acceleration. This Lifter Release T...

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I make no claims, but it was interesting.

Try at your own risk.

 

[Wild one]

Here's the video I was talking about:

Try This $7 Fix For Collapsed Lifter First! - DIY Valve Lifter Repair Guide

Is your Ram, Ford, or GM vehicle making a ticking noise or have a misfire at idle? Maybe its even worse, and it has lumpy acceleration. This Lifter Release T...

youtu.be

I make no claims, but it was interesting.

Try at your own risk.

The other old school trick for loosening up a sticky lifter was to pour a quart of diesal into the crankcase,drive it lightly for maybe 50 miles then change the oil. I've even seen both transmission fluid and diesal added to the crankcase just before doing an oil change to help loosen up the sludge in a poorly maintained higher milege engine.
I'm not reconmending either or making any claims

 

[EdGs]

The other old school trick for loosening up a sticky lifter was to pour a quart of diesal into the crankcase,drive it lightly for maybe 50 miles then change the oil. I've even seen both transmission fluid and diesal added to the crankcase just before doing an oil change to help loosen up the sludge in a poorly maintained higher milege engine.
I'm not reconmending either or making any claims

Downside to this?

I bet it sounded like utter dogsh*t when the guy was winding it up getting on the freeway.

I have to say it was pretty amazing how good the truck sounded after the treatment.

 

[Wild one]

Downside to this?

I bet it sounded like utter dogsh*t when the guy was winding it up getting on the freeway.

I have to say it was pretty amazing how good the truck sounded after the treatment.

He's braver then me,as i don't know if i'd drive it the way he did,unless i was looking for an excuse to put a built engine in it