lifter roller ceased.

[JTG1551]

Anyone ever have this happen? I have a 2009 1500, with 92,*** it started with a light lifter tick, then escalated to a 2nd cylinder misfire. I took it in and they couldn't find what the problem was until they took the cylinder head apart. They found the roller on the lifter stopped rolling and it ground down the camshaft. Still covered under my extended warranty, but its still a $6000 fix.

 

[blackbetty14]

Wow lucky u! Lifters fail all the time... not in production motors as much but they do. In higher performance engines (GM) the big thing was the lifters coming out of the dogbone lifter retainers aand spinning which digs into the cam lobe immediately and catrostrofically. We wipe out cam lobes all the time in the HP flat tappet motors.

Just be happy they caught it and are willing to fix it. Also make sure they flush the motor or replace it due to all the metal specs that was created and flushed throughout the motor. I would be afraid of it being in there after if the just pull the cam and lifters and do a top end job.

 

[20hemi10]

I've replaced quite a few camshafts and sets of lifters in these 4th gen Rams and a few Dodge Chargers for this same issue. The average mileage on them was about 65,000 miles.

 

[JTG1551]

I guess on the bright side an extended warranty was finally worth it. Also, new cam, lifters, rockers, pushrods head gasket and other misc For 100$

 

[Burla]

Laughing at all the guys who say ignore lifter tick, glad your covered.

 

[JTG1551]

Only reason I wouldn't have ignored it cause it was gonna be covered

 

[Burla]

Go gectcha a good oil, next time you will likely not be covered.

 

[JTG1551]

I've always ran ams oil in the truck since I bought it, but the previous owner I cannot account for

 

[Moparman1303]

Am I going to have to worry about this? I been putting synthetic oil in since new.

 

[Burla]

Am I going to have to worry about this? I been putting synthetic oil in since new.

It is an engine, you can baby it and use the best oil on the planet and no guarantee you wont have repairs when the engine gets high miles. However, I think you lesson the chances of failure by maintaining your truck PCV and using good oil.

 

[SyN]

Does anyone know the main cause for this?

Surely the finger is not only pointed @ pour lubrication?

Is it the design of the lifters?

JTG: Now you have my attention and very curious!

If you don't mind sharing your info? What Quality of Amsoil was you using the entire time? {OE/XL/SS}? Even though I don't think Oil is to blame here! Maybe an oil starvation issue...

What viscosity? Even though I don't think this will have any bearing what so ever.

I have read about this so called Hemi Tick in the SRT Forums/Challenger Forums/Hemi Engine Club Forums!!! Many of Thousands of owners with this same issue. Many have replaced the lifters and still have the tick!

Surely if there was a design problem or metal hardness issue Ram or Dodge or whomever would have addressed it years ago... With So Many major issues reported....I'm new to the Hemi engine so I'm still learning... Pardon my ignorance.

Did Your dealer give you any information on what caused this?

Dam another project to research!

I guess I will start adding the same additive to my Hemi as I add to my sons 08 5.4L 3V!

http://stores.buyschaefferoil.com/p...-1-pint.html?gclid=CLG9kaaFycICFWcLMgodSRgAEQ

 

[RLJ10X]

Is that really a $6000 fix? That seems awfully high.

 

[LB3711]

Is that really a $6000 fix? That seems awfully high.

not at a stealership at $100 an hour just for labor and dealer parts are very expensive

 

[blackbetty14]

Aren't the hemi blocks notoriously soft? Thought I read this somewhere due to higher concentrations of soft metals.

 

[blackbetty14]

Idk if it helps but if I had a engine tick first thing I would do is pull the filter and oil, cut open the filter and swap in a higher weight oil. Or even mix 1/2 higher weight.

 

[2010Sport]

I'm a Chrysler master tech (Level 3 in all areas) also a ford senior master and ASE Master tech with L1 and L2 certs. I do at least 1 Hemi a week for lifter failure on oilfield trucks.mileage isn't the killer its engine hours. Because of the extreme angle on the push rods and the way the engine is lubricated. (push rods get lubed last) idling the engine causes low oil volume, therefore lifter failure. just run good oil and don't idle it and you will never have another failure.

 

[SyN]

2010Sport: Thank U for sharing your knowledge and experience!

What about the owners who have only had the new rams or chargers home for a few weeks and have already developed this Tick? You Tube holds quite a handful of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQRBmBlZQpY

This is a 2012 Ram but still at the time of the video it was new and already developed the tick-->This tick is Horrid!

Here is I guess a mechanics Reply to this solution under this video posted..


"The MDS lifters on that side are bad, the replacement lifters they're sending now (2013+ trucks factory fitted) include a orifice screen on the solenoid and chamfered lifters so the oil can get to and pump them up from the relieved position (thus no tick). The previous fix was retune the truck to disable MDS entirely and leave the solenoids open all the time. The OTHER fix is to drop non MDS lifters in made by Crane Cams that pretty much got rid of the tick and again disabled MDS with a tune."


"I fix out of warranty trucks with this problem on the side. My personal fix is replacing with NON MDS lifters and reflashing the computer, it works just as well. I did want to add, because of how important the quality of oil is in this system, please stick to the owners manual for scheduled maintenance."

I hope I never have to deal with this!

This Got me thinking again! Dam! I myself want an oil that will pump up to the top of the motor as fast as it can as well as an oil with a Very High Film Strength as well as one He!! of a Anti-Wear Package--->Moly & Boron/ZDDP -->{without effecting the Cats}

I will stay with 0W Synthetic oil and add Schaeffers #132 Moly Treatment every oil change--->Fingers Crossed!

Burla--->Seems U have been Preaching the Truth Brother!! Outstanding JOB!!!

 

[blackbetty14]

I'm a Chrysler master tech (Level 3 in all areas) also a ford senior master and ASE Master tech with L1 and L2 certs. I do at least 1 Hemi a week for lifter failure on oilfield trucks.mileage isn't the killer its engine hours. Because of the extreme angle on the push rods and the way the engine is lubricated. (push rods get lubed last) idling the engine causes low oil volume, therefore lifter failure. just run good oil and don't idle it and you will never have another failure.

I wonder if a high volumn oil pump would solve the issue? Makes sense about the pushrods and if they oil the rockers like most older pushrod enHines then that also means the rockers are last to get oiled and springs get less oil to cool.

 

[charonblk07]

I wonder if a high volumn oil pump would solve the issue? Makes sense about the pushrods and if they oil the rockers like most older pushrod enHines then that also means the rockers are last to get oiled and springs get less oil to cool.

A popular upgrade on the 3rd gens was the 6.1L oil pump but the 4th gens don't have an upgraded version yet.

 

[Dubstep Shep]

Put a dry sump system on it lol. That'll solve all your issues.