Once again thinking about shorter links for leveling air ride 1500...

[corneileous]

....but I’m still a little bit unsure on how undesirable the results could be for the other air ride modes; since the truck levels out and removes the rear to forward rake on both off-road modes, if I trick the system into thinking the front end is too low with the new shorter links, won’t that make the front of the truck higher when it levels out for the two off-road modes? I guess it essentially doesn’t matter if it would do that since I take my truck off road very very rarely to even use any of the off-road modes but, what about entry/exit mode? Wouldn’t it then not go all the way down to the bump stops like it’s supposed to? This mode, actually gets used more than the off-road modes.

I’m not really looking to do this to clear 35 inch tires or something, although it would be nice to know that if I ever did change my mind in the future, that I could but due to the fact of how those of y’all that remember my adventure I had with just the stock size BFG all-terrain‘s and how it made my truck too rough which is why I’ll probably never put 35 inch tires on this truck but anywho, I’m just more less interested in leveling the front of the truck out. Not not only that but it’s always kind of seemed like whether I use the aero mode or not that the front of the truck doesn’t seem to have quite enough air in it to where it feels like it kind of bottoms out on these really rough Texas and Oklahoma roads down here. I kinda figured that the more air in the front to level it out would be beneficial to stiffening the ride up a little bit and I could still use my aero mode out on the highway to drop the front.

Thoughts, from anyone who’s done this or is thinking about doing it? Thanks.


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[Razzman]

I plan on adding CFT Level Links to mine shortly. I've done tons of research and read all the reviews i can find. What I've found is this, as long as you do not attempt to perfectly level the truck front to back it will work fine and all modes work as normal without errors. If you try to level the front exactly to the rear it adds more air and OR2 is no longer obtainable as well as you get errors. And they stated an exact level made it ride real harsh. Now my opinion there is that statement is relative, harsh compared to what? Since air ride is a very supple ride it could simply be harsher than what their used to.

Almost all said they found about 3/4" lower in the front was the perfect compromise as all modes worked and they couldn't tell visually. As for entry/exit I don't recall any comments there, I personally don't care about that as i have AMP steps and I no longer use it since installing them, it's always in normal mode now. The trick is finding the sweet spot for you without defeating the systems purpose.

I look at this way, it's a $100 to try and get what i want and it it fails it's not the end of the world.

 

[corneileous]

I called up revel performance who sells these links also and asked him a bunch of questions and he essentially told me pretty much what you did and said that yes, raising the front of the truck up another inch, inch and a half or whatever it takes to completely level the truck, will affect the other suspension modes, just as my commonsense already assumed. Which is fine because like I said, I don’t take my truck off road and for the few times that I’ve ever used off-road one or off-road two mode has been for other things other than gaining extra ground clearance for taking it off road. Off-road to mode makes it really nice for doing oil changes because since I use those maintenance ramps to drive the front of my truck on to make it easier to have more room to change the oil filter without spilling oil all over the place; that’s one of the uses and the other use is really nice for whenever I’m hooking up to a trailer, I can drop my truck all the way down to the bump stops, back up under the trailer hitch and then put it off road two mode to pick up the trailer without having to really play with the trailer jack a whole lot.

But if leveling the front of the truck out essentially takes that advantage away, that’s OK. Because like I said, I’m more interested in being able to level the front of my truck out and make the front end ride a little stiffer and make it so that whatever I do pull a heavy trailer I can get the best of both worlds by having my truck leveled, but then not having the back of the truck squat like crazy like when you level a spring ride truck looking like you’re trying to pull a 15,000 pound trailer… LOL. I really wanted to level the front of my old truck but I would’ve had to spend money on those aftermarket airbags to not make the back of the truck squat like crazy the few times I drug a heavy trainer. Having this truck with auto-leveling air ride, I wouldn’t have to do that.

But I’m curious… Of all the research that you’ve done, how much lower in the front does the truck actually sit in relation to the back of the truck? Also, I guess I’m really just going to have to put my truck in off-road one mode and off-road two mode just to see with a tape measure if it actually does completely level the truck out in those two suspension modes or not because the few times that I’ve used either off-road one or off-road two, it sure looks to me like the truck sits pretty level. Have you done this to yours?

It’s almost kind of like one of those things that I would think it would be better if off-road one or off-road two mode didn’t completely level the truck out because if it didn’t, I really don’t see why you wouldn’t be able to use especially off road two mode because if you could raise the back up that high, why wouldn’t you be able to raise the front up that high? Are the bags shorter in the front?


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[Razzman]

Yeah i use OR1 & OR2 more for jacking it up for work or hitching the trailer too than off-road use. As for how low does the front sit? It seems to vary, in normal mode i'm about two inches shorter in front. But i've also read varying differences too. I know in OR2 mine seems almost level, but not quite.

Have you seen the thread here where the OP actually adjusted the settings in AlfaOBD to level his truck? I've looked at it but really didn't get into it to understand it. My worry there is if the dealer does a re-flash would the settings be gone? Since I have Lifetime MaxCare i'd be worried at some point that would happen during a warranty repair. As it is mine drops overnight if left in normal mode, goes right back up upon starting. Been hesitant to have dealer look at it since they want it for a week.

 

[corneileous]

Yeah i use OR1 & OR2 more for jacking it up for work or hitching the trailer too than off-road use. As for how low does the front sit? It seems to vary, in normal mode i'm about two inches shorter in front. But i've also read varying differences too. I know in OR2 mine seems almost level, but not quite.

I’m going to try to make it a point this weekend to pull a tape measure on my truck and take a few measurements because now I’m really really curious. Because like I said, mine might not actually be perfectly level when it’s in either of the two off-road modes but it sure looks like it is.

Have you seen the thread here where the OP actually adjusted the settings in AlfaOBD to level his truck? I’ve looked at it but really didn’t get into it to understand it. My worry there is if the dealer does a re-flash would the settings be gone? Since I have Lifetime MaxCare i'd be worried at some point that would happen during a warranty repair. As it is mine drops overnight if left in normal mode, goes right back up upon starting. Been hesitant to have dealer look at it since they want it for a week.

No, I don’t think I have seen that thread. You wouldn’t by any chance have a link to it, would you?

But I’ve actually wondered about that since that alpha OBD thing does a lot of things because at one point, I was actually curious if I could just input the sales code if there is one to pretty much just set my truck up like how the the rebels with air suspension are. They’re just like ours except their normal ride height is basically our OR 1 mode. They don’t have two off-road modes, just the one and that they have a inch further to fall to get to entry/exit mode.

But yeah, that would be nice if that worked but if you ever had to take your truck in for warranty, I wonder if that’s something that would show up on their computer as a tattletale towards modified settings. At least with the links, you can take them off and snap your stock plastic ones back on.

So far my air ride has been great with no issues but like you, I have lifetime warranty as well so as soon as mine feels like it wants to act up, straight to the dealer she will go. Lol.

But yeah, even the guy I talked to over the phone said that was the first he had heard about the off road modes completely leveling out the truck so maybe it doesn’t. It just seemed to make sense to me if it did because of the fact that if you’re going places that would truly warrant another two inches of ground clearance, you’d probably want the front to be as tall as the back.


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[Razzman]

Here's the thread i was talking about, think i'll actually try to understand this lol.
[URL="https://www.ramforum.com/posts/2104357/"]Ride height with AlfaOBD (air suspension)[/URL]

 

[rwhjr]

Seems like the air suspension is definitely much more geared towards being left stock and then hoping you don’t run into the gremlins some guys have with the system in general.

Glad I went with the standard strut/shock suspension.

would it make more sense and would it be possible to just run a body lift on these trucks if you want more height? But I guess that still doesn’t fix the issue of having so much rake from the factory.

 

[blackbeautyhemi]

I have the 3D printed leveling links on my rebel, forget the guys name that makes them. But they leveled my truck within a quarter inch front to rear and the ride difference was minimal. Off-road 2 works fine and that is a bit more noticeably stiffer but for all the more it gets used and drops down when ya hit 25 mph, who cares. I’m quite happy with my leveling links.

 

[corneileous]

Seems like the air suspension is definitely much more geared towards being left stock and then hoping you don’t run into the gremlins some guys have with the system in general.

Oh, I wouldn’t be surprised. But apparently people who sell those adjustable links been sellin’ them like hot cakes.

But there’s really not a whole lot you can do with them. Front air struts, you’re pretty much limited to just the Mopar struts. I’m not even sure if the front bags can even be moved to a new strut.

Glad I went with the standard strut/shock suspension.

If you’re one of the ones who hasn’t had issues with them, they’re pretty nice. Dropping down for easy entry/exit is nice. Being able to suspension lift of up to two inches at the press of a button is also nice. The auto-leveling is nice, too. Like being able to pull a fairly heavy trailer and not have the back end squat. And if these links work good, you can even have the best of both worlds of having a leveled look without having to put helper air bags on to keep your truck from looking like you have a bed full of gravel with just the least amount of weight in your bed. And, I could still use aero-mode of on a long trip and maybe help with fuel economy without having a permanent level.

would it make more sense and would it be possible to just run a body lift on these trucks if you want more height? But I guess that still doesn’t fix the issue of having so much rake from the factory.

Not really. Lol.


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[BWL]

How much is revel charging for the links nowadays?

 

[Razzman]

I’m going to try to make it a point this weekend to pull a tape measure on my truck and take a few measurements because now I’m really really curious. Because like I said, mine might not actually be perfectly level when it’s in either of the two off-road modes but it sure looks like it is.
No, I don’t think I have seen that thread. You wouldn’t by any chance have a link to it, would you?

But I’ve actually wondered about that since that alpha OBD thing does a lot of things because at one point, I was actually curious if I could just input the sales code if there is one to pretty much just set my truck up like how the the rebels with air suspension are. They’re just like ours except their normal ride height is basically our OR 1 mode. They don’t have two off-road modes, just the one and that they have a inch further to fall to get to entry/exit mode.

But yeah, that would be nice if that worked but if you ever had to take your truck in for warranty, I wonder if that’s something that would show up on their computer as a tattletale towards modified settings. At least with the links, you can take them off and snap your stock plastic ones back on.

So far my air ride has been great with no issues but like you, I have lifetime warranty as well so as soon as mine feels like it wants to act up, straight to the dealer she will go. Lol.

But yeah, even the guy I talked to over the phone said that was the first he had heard about the off road modes completely leveling out the truck so maybe it doesn’t. It just seemed to make sense to me if it did because of the fact that if you’re going places that would truly warrant another two inches of ground clearance, you’d probably want the front to be as tall as the back.


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So i finally got around to it, went to order the CFT Level Links only to have them tell me they don't ship to California! Wtf! Anyway in searching I came across Supreme Suspensions in LA Mirada CA. Pretty much exactly like CFT in looks and price. Ordered those via Paypal only to find I had $43 there I'd forgotten all about, sweet! Got em in a couple days and installed them, quick and easy. Had to mess with them a couple times as the left front was down an inch from the right, easy to adjust out. Settles on 1/2" less than the rear, all settings still function. Doesn't ride any different that i can feel.