Synthetic Oil

[knightjp]

I heard a rumor, in about 8 days gas engines making a big time comeback.

However, who makes good gas engines anymore?

Ask that question elsewhere and you'll have the fanboys coming out of the woodwork screaming, "Toyota". Just thinking about it makes me want to hurl.
When it comes to brands, I think there's going to be a shift and soon established ones will start to disappear; replaced by ones from China or completely taken over by them.

Personally I believe that hybrids are the future; the near future, specifically where engines are only generators, rather than actually driving the vehicle. since its not good for engines to just be idling, I guess one great engine that could be used from Chrysler's lineup is the old gas turbine.

 

[HEMIMANN]

@BLUKTY2 - no, I had not seen that VOA summary chart! Who is running that? Is it a sticky?

Anyway, PUP 5W-30 SP is there, looks like it should be - a thin 30 weight with decent detergents and anti-oxidants.

Holy crap - lookit that HPL supercar 0W-30! I really want to try that in the Hemi. As I've said before, it could / should be a year-round oil. I just don't know if the lower amount of ester in it has anything to do with preventing lifter tick.

 

[tjfdesmo]

I personally like the GM 6.6L in the HD trucks. Pushrod V8 with no AFM.

For all it's flaws, I'd take the 6.4/ZF over that all day long.

 

[HEMIMANN]

For all it's flaws, I'd take the 6.4/ZF over that all day long.

Why?

 

[tjfdesmo]

Why?

First and formost, I have an aversion to GDI. Secondly, they seem to have an issue with high pressure fuel pump failures. Third, in towing tests I have seen it didn't outperform the 6.4, even with the faux Allison 10 speed. Last, I think the ZF is flat-out a better transmission than the Gimmick Motors faux Allison.

 

[HEMIMANN]

First and formost, I have an aversion to GDI. Secondly, they seem to have an issue with high pressure fuel pump failures. Third, in towing tests I have seen it didn't outperform the 6.4, even with the faux Allison 10 speed. Last, I think the ZF is flat-out a better transmission than the Gimmick Motors faux Allison.

Boy, that was a dumb question. lol
I'll nurse my 6.4 and RFE to the bitter end.
I'll never see an AAM TrueTrac rear end in my lifetime, and the ride and comfort are top-notch.
All paid for, too.

 

[BLUKTY2]

Thank you - I had looked b4, and didn't see any, I guess I haven't kept up. I will review tomorrow.

You must have a Toyota? Are they the only one with dual injectors? You changing <5k miles max OCI?

I was just over at B000B's pervuing the smart a$$es, I don't see any great revelations over there, either. Oil detergency, 30 wt, quality base stock, GTL or higher. Short OCI's, etc. Some were saying they scrub intakes @ 50k miles, but why? No fuel spray on them if a single direct injector. The industry has really f'd up GDI.

Saw some hubub about catch cans, but not sure if they have one to route before the turbo compressor. Don't know the PCV routing on this motor, either. I worked on diesels, they went to coalescers to ambient - not a closed loop. Maybe they do now, idk.

Yes it is a Toyota engine (T24A-FTS) in a Lexus RX350. And just to be clear, by duel injection I meant that it is both port and direct injected. I really don't know if there are other engines out there with this duel injection system but I am not aware of any. My first oil change was at 1K miles, then again at 5K and 5K oci's moving forward. With the exception of the first oil change I run a tank of fuel with SI-1 through the system prior to the oil changes. Currently at around 12,800 miles. I plan on doing a UOA at my 15K oil change to check for fuel dilution more than anything else. I don't know if this engine is a diluter or not; if it is I may shorten the oci's to 4k and stick to PUP rather than spend the $ on HPL or Amsoil SS.

@BLUKTY2 - no, I had not seen that VOA summary chart! Who is running that? Is it a sticky?

Anyway, PUP 5W-30 SP is there, looks like it should be - a thin 30 weight with decent detergents and anti-oxidants.

Holy crap - lookit that HPL supercar 0W-30! I really want to try that in the Hemi. As I've said before, it could / should be a year-round oil. I just don't know if the lower amount of ester in it has anything to do with preventing lifter tick.

I found the VOA spreadsheet at Bob's. I'm not sure if it is a sticky or not but I will try to find the thread and post a link to it when I get a chance. I really need to provide my VOA of HPL's Premium + 5W-40 so that it can be added to this data base. Despite the ego's over there I have learned quite a bit by hanging out and reading. I just rarely post anything. Not that I care what others think of my comments or opinions, I just don't need argumentative people in my life, not even on the internet.

 

[BLUKTY2]

Link to VOA thread on BITOG.

Google Docs VOA's

 

[HEMIMANN]

Yes it is a Toyota engine (T24A-FTS) in a Lexus RX350. And just to be clear, by duel injection I meant that it is both port and direct injected. I really don't know if there are other engines out there with this duel injection system but I am not aware of any. My first oil change was at 1K miles, then again at 5K and 5K oci's moving forward. With the exception of the first oil change I run a tank of fuel with SI-1 through the system prior to the oil changes. Currently at around 12,800 miles. I plan on doing a UOA at my 15K oil change to check for fuel dilution more than anything else. I don't know if this engine is a diluter or not; if it is I may shorten the oci's to 4k and stick to PUP rather than spend the $ on HPL or Amsoil SS.

I found the VOA spreadsheet at Bob's. I'm not sure if it is a sticky or not but I will try to find the thread and post a link to it when I get a chance. I really need to provide my VOA of HPL's Premium + 5W-40 so that it can be added to this data base. Despite the ego's over there I have learned quite a bit by hanging out and reading. I just rarely post anything. Not that I care what others think of my comments or opinions, I just don't need argumentative people in my life, not even on the internet.

Yes - I think (?) we are using common industry terminology when we say "dual" injectors, we mean two injectors per each cylinder, one port and one direct. The port being for rich / stoichiometric burn, and the direct being for lean burn for light loads.

You and I are thinking exactly the same - if we don't need super oils to keep clean, low wear, antixoidation, then PUP @ <5k OCI should be good enough. I don't want to use HPL, Amsoil, or Red Line on these motors unless it seems there is great benefit - like there is with Hemi ticking. Loading an oil full of incomplete combustion crap due to half-a$$ engine design architecture sucks enough as it is to have to throw oil away quickly. Having to fortify oil to super levels so the crap doesn't stick the piston rings would just be insult to injury. I would think your engine, done properly, would be much easier on oil than mine and the rest of the cheapo single injector engines.

btw - the site over there is worse than it's ever been....even innocuous topics are full of bile and insults. jfc

 

[knightjp]

For all it's flaws, I'd take the 6.4/ZF over that all day long.

Same here. I think with familiarity comes ease and success. We've learned so much over the years with the 3rd Gen Hemi and ZF combo. The ZF is a better transmission and more easier to manage, now that we know its weak points.
If I ever change out my 4th Gen 1500, it will be for a Power wagon with a 6.4 and ZF. I don't mind the MDS too.

 

[Hemi395]

For all it's flaws, I'd take the 6.4/ZF over that all day long.

If we're talking engine/trans combos, yes I agree the 6.4 Hemi ZF is a better overall drive train.

 

[tjfdesmo]

If we're talking engine/trans combos, yes I agree the 6.4 Hemi ZF is a better overall drive train.

Combine that with straight axle 4x4, a real non-clutch driven transfer case (which you can only get on lower trim level GM trucks), a better interior (even in a dated cab), factory installed aux switches (GM puts a kit in a box in the cab for you to install), and I'll stay with Ram.

 

[Burla]

another reiteration of the power built bottle jack.jack stand, which I do own. From the looks of it, I think this one has more potential for our trucks. So simple why this hasn't been done before, or am I late to the party?

 

[Stefan N]

another reiteration of the power built bottle jack.jack stand, which I do own. From the looks of it, I think this one has more potential for our trucks. So simple why this hasn't been done before, or am I late to the party?

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I prefer jack stands! 2 separate pieces ads security.

My latest jack, AC is a fantastic brand, the smaller I have owned for ~15 years so a taller brother felt right

 

[CanuckRam1313]

@BLUKTY2 - no, I had not seen that VOA summary chart! Who is running that? Is it a sticky?

Anyway, PUP 5W-30 SP is there, looks like it should be - a thin 30 weight with decent detergents and anti-oxidants.

Holy crap - lookit that HPL supercar 0W-30! I really want to try that in the Hemi. As I've said before, it could / should be a year-round oil. I just don't know if the lower amount of ester in it has anything to do with preventing lifter tick.

I really like the feel of the HPL SC 0W30 in my truck.

It was great in my previous 19' HEMI, and my new HEMI really enjoys it, too.

My oil strategy is HPL SC 0W30 in the colder months and RL HP 5W30 in the warmer months, and the RP 20-820 oil filter, too.

 

[crackerjack1957]

I prefer jack stands! 2 separate pieces ads security.

My latest jack, AC is a fantastic brand, the smaller I have owned for ~15 years so a taller brother felt right

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That's 1 hellave jack.............

 

[HEMIMANN]

I really like the feel of the HPL SC 0W30 in my truck.

It was great in my previous 19' HEMI, and my new HEMI really enjoys it, too.

My oil strategy is HPL SC 0W30 in the colder months and RL HP 5W30 in the warmer months, and the RP 20-820 oil filter, too.

Why change? HPL SC 0W-30 looks so good on paper, I was thinking about running year round. I was just worried about the lower ester content as maybe having some impact on tick resistance. I don't know, but didn't want to experiment.
But Red Line is getting harder to find, prices went way up, and they moved, so...

 

[Burla]

I prefer jack stands! 2 separate pieces ads security.

My latest jack, AC is a fantastic brand, the smaller I have owned for ~15 years so a taller brother felt right

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immediately you found the hole in my argument about potential, the downside is it is only one jack, so yes you would need jack stands still for anything where you need the entire front of back in the air. I own two of the powerbuilts for this reason, but there is a chance with these you still need a jack to lift the vehicle off the stand, it is quirky like that, but I like the design of this simple brace.

 

[CanuckRam1313]

Why change? HPL SC 0W-30 looks so good on paper, I was thinking about running year round. I was just worried about the lower ester content as maybe having some impact on tick resistance. I don't know, but didn't want to experiment.
But Red Line is getting harder to find, prices went way up, and they moved, so...

I hear this, Brother on RL HP 5W30 being harder to find, and the pricing, too.

Both HPL SC 0W30 and RL HP 5W30 are pretty comparable in pricing.
For the benefits these oils provide, in conjunction with a premium synthetic oil filter, I'll pay the piper and just keep trucking
(Same goes for premium fuel as well. Difference on a 32-gallon tank full of premium vs regular is marginal at best).

Here's a Canuck supplier in QC with it.
https://gbpperformance.ca/en/motor-...bHXH1x-4zPtuH-NuiBJt79Vp6y7BeLcqFvgVEJ6JnGDjg
My buddy has ordered from them a few times and they are legit.

While I did use the RL HP 5W30 year round in my 19' with great results, at times when up in the Ottawa Valley & QC in dead cold temps there was a little slapping on cold starts. Even when I keyed the engine a few times to prime things up before ignition.

I've also used a jug of each in my new truck on its first oil change and my engine was quite happy.
I did the first oil change at 2,500km's and did a mix of the two then. Zero issues.

I'm now on just HPL SC 0W30 and about 3,000km's until my next OCI (I'm going 7,000km intervals currently).
On this upcoming oil change I'll continue with HPL SC 0W30 and go 8 to 9 thousand KM's on it and do a Blackstone report on it, including TAN and TBN.

 

[HEMIMANN]

I hear this, Brother on RL HP 5W30 being harder to find, and the pricing, too.

Both HPL SC 0W30 and RL HP 5W30 are pretty comparable in pricing.
For the benefits these oils provide, in conjunction with a premium synthetic oil filter, I'll pay the piper and just keep trucking
(Same goes for premium fuel as well. Difference on a 32-gallon tank full of premium vs regular is marginal at best).

Here's a Canuck supplier in QC with it.
https://gbpperformance.ca/en/motor-...bHXH1x-4zPtuH-NuiBJt79Vp6y7BeLcqFvgVEJ6JnGDjg
My buddy has ordered from them a few times and they are legit.

While I did use the RL HP 5W30 year round in my 19' with great results, at times when up in the Ottawa Valley & QC in dead cold temps there was a little slapping on cold starts. Even when I keyed the engine a few times to prime things up before ignition.

I've also used a jug of each in my new truck on its first oil change and my engine was quite happy.
I did the first oil change at 2,500km's and did a mix of the two then. Zero issues.

I'm now on just HPL SC 0W30 and about 3,000km's until my next OCI (I'm going 7,000km intervals currently).
On this upcoming oil change I'll continue with HPL SC 0W30 and go 8 to 9 thousand KM's on it and do a Blackstone report on it, including TAN and TBN.

Thanks!
I know you guys get screwed on pricing up there, don't know why - tariffs or something. I got interested again as my Red Line stash gets whittled down slowly, I think I'll try HPL SC 0W-30. With our 15% discount, a case of 4 x 1 gallon jugs is $13.27 per quart (for comparative pricing to Red Line before shipping, whatever that is).

A quick web survey shows Red Line 5W-30 for $16.79 per quart, unsure which sites ship free or not.