Well that was unexpected ! Lifter gone 52,000 miles.

[Ricko]

What year engines have the lifter issue?

 

[Travis8352]

What year engines have the lifter issue?

09- as far as we know 2022

 

[gozarca2]

my 2013 durango hemi with 135k miles had the tick to start and I heard it ... "its making a noise" then it threw misfire on cylinder 7. the mechanic looked at it and its a bad lifter, which dug out the cam and i guess threw metal into the VVT screen too, punching a big hole and now he (& others) are saying the engine is toast since it has so much metal through it now. esshh was just going to sell it before this happened. i got an estimate for $12k for remanuf engine (engine & labor....unk ETA because company for engine is so far behind...)

 

[gozarca2]

@ramffml - @Burla and gang have data showing wear reduction with % MoDTC additive. Knee in the curve is ~ 200 ppm, so if you add Lubegard to your FS Mobil 1 0W-40 you should have a good package, along with Royal Purple or Fram Ultra XG Filter.

I know the lifter tick is sensitive to oil and filter type - I quieted my original 2012 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7 lifter tick by changing oil type.

Hey Hemimann: Seperate topic: you have the Revmax bypass? my other 2014 ram, i took it towing and the trans got up to 250 going uphill. Will the revmax help that (both of their options installed or maybe just the brass bypass?)

 

[jws123]

my 2013 durango hemi with 135k miles had the tick to start and I heard it ... "its making a noise" then it threw misfire on cylinder 7. the mechanic looked at it and its a bad lifter, which dug out the cam and i guess threw metal into the VVT screen too, punching a big hole and now he (& others) are saying the engine is toast since it has so much metal through it now. esshh was just going to sell it before this happened. i got an estimate for $12k for remanuf engine (engine & labor....unk ETA because company for engine is so far behind...)

12k is insane put a used engine or replace cam and lifters and move on like most of us do I am sure your engine is fine despite some expected metal shavings just has to be flushed out and cleaned rl good.

 

[Burla]

09- as far as we know 2022

yup, and likely 2023 and forward as well.

 

[HEMIMANN]

Hey Hemimann: Seperate topic: you have the Revmax bypass? my other 2014 ram, i took it towing and the trans got up to 250 going uphill. Will the revmax help that (both of their options installed or maybe just the brass bypass?)

Yep. Yep.

 

[Silby]

Thanks for that, guess I'll give it a shot after all and include the 15 oz bottle of LG as well.

Do you guys know how much moly that combo would give me? Apparently a VOA of M1 FS 0w-40 is showing 80 ppm by itself, does the 15 oz LG add a signficant amount of moly?

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/mobil-1-0w40-euro.332273/

I use Z Max and 5-20 full synthetic in all my Mopars.

 

[atxmike53]

Does Mobil 1 even meet Chrysler spec? I didn't think it did, so I did not use it. Using PUP.

 

[Travis8352]

yup, and likely 2023 and forward as well.

Till the end of hemis

 

[HEMIMANN]

Till the end of hemis

Well, that's a disturbing thought! I remember when Ford cheapened the Pinto motor in the 80's and they burned up for lack of lubrication. They eliminated some oil passages and drilled others smaller. A friend had one of them while we were in college.

So, who knows why Hemi lifters are lubricated properly, or they all don't fail. Seeing that an international multiconglomerate owns Ram now, things won't improve. I've seen this movie multiple times now.

 

[Dodge 1500 4X4]

How about the chevy Vaga, aluminum block with pressed in cylinder cast iron sleeves, when the block got hot the aluminum expanded and the sleaves would float, they were big time oil burners so much that the oil pressure sending unit would control the electric fuel pump in the tank, low oil pressure would shut the fuel pump down so no start.

 

[Curt Gobbell]

Your video sounded just like my 5.7l, when my #7 intake lifter collapsed

Thread '2014 5.7L Knock/Tick/Tap?' https://www.ramforum.com/threads/2014-5-7l-knock-tick-tap.169507/

 

[demonram]

In my 2005 LT with the 5.7, I always used the recommended Pennzoil 5W20, never had any problems with it. At 92,000 miles, I traded it in 2011 for my current ride, 2011 Sport with the 5.7. At around 92,000-93,000 miles, lifter failure. RamCares took care of me on that, but moving forward, I have used PUP Synthetic 5W30 and Fram XG filters. Now approaching 150,000 miles, I don't have any tick, so I think maybe the 5W20 is just not what that engine likes.

 

[Burla]

In my 2005 LT with the 5.7, I always used the recommended Pennzoil 5W20, never had any problems with it. At 92,000 miles, I traded it in 2011 for my current ride, 2011 Sport with the 5.7. At around 92,000-93,000 miles, lifter failure. RamCares took care of me on that, but moving forward, I have used PUP Synthetic 5W30 and Fram XG filters. Now approaching 150,000 miles, I don't have any tick, so I think maybe the 5W20 is just not what that engine likes.

Sadly just fr your information, many 5w30's have gone thin, as in they have a choice between about 9 to about 12 for viscosity at operating temperature options, yesteryear most 30 weights like to be towards the 12, now thanks to the gov't and manu's they have gone thin, and your PUP 5w30 when new operates at 10.3 and gets thinner with use, stat sheet pdf.

The options are go heavier with viscosity or heavier with aw/ep additives, or both, or of course trust the manu and api and gov't and go thin with few aw/ep additives. The research is here on the board, every strategy belongs to the owner of the equipment and nobody else. PUP has one great thing going for it, the uoa's have been great. UOA's arent everything, but useful. Interesting, is 0w40 PUP has more additives and viscosity and operates in the 30 weight range during use in the hemi, proven with uoa's. Hammers uoa has 0w40 PUP in the 10's operating viscosity for 3 oci's, in blackstone thread.

 

[Travis8352]

Sadly just fr your information, many 5w30's have gone thin, as in they have a choice between about 9 to about 12 for viscosity at operating temperature options, yesteryear most 30 weights like to be towards the 12, now thanks to the gov't and manu's they have gone thin, and your PUP 5w30 when new operates at 10.3 and gets thinner with use, stat sheet pdf.

The options are go heavier with viscosity or heavier with aw/ep additives, or both, or of course trust the manu and api and gov't and go thin with few aw/ep additives. The research is here on the board, every strategy belongs to the owner of the equipment and nobody else. PUP has one great thing going for it, the uoa's have been great. UOA's arent everything, but useful. Interesting, is 0w40 PUP has more additives and viscosity and operates in the 30 weight range during use in the hemi, proven with uoa's. Hammers uoa has 0w40 PUP in the 10's operating viscosity for 3 oci's, in blackstone thread.

Pup 0w40 is an outstanding 30wt oil lol

 

[Burla]

I concur.

 

[David_Jacobs]

Know of anyone using the 10 psi higher pressure spring or pump ? It's a bit draining watching all videos speculating about how to cure the Hemi lifter issue. I've heard authoritative, well intentioned people say : Its the lifter diameter; the cam is too high in the block, it's the MDS; slightly higher oil pump relief pressures is needed; the oil itself; the filters. It would be great if there was a Tom Hoover "Father of the 426 Hemi" expert engineer that would say definitively what the issue is. Is there one?

From all the research I've done, I'm confident it's a lack of lubrication on the roller of the lifter. This really became an issue when they raised the camshaft in the Gen IV's, with no additional lubrication to support. This push-rod engine is a very old design, using ultra modern low Moly oils like Mobil-1 will speed up this issue. I believe most people that use older or higher moly based oils are having more success (Redline, etc). Oils that have higher wetability (Thicker) will most likely also help. What I don't understand is why FCA doesn't just place some oil injection up there. I'm guessing by the latest vehicle sales, they have no incentive to fix it. I'm wiling to wager a bet the next generation will have oil injection directly on the camshaft.

 

[PoMansRam]

@Motorhead440 , Sorry if I missed it here, but you are 100% positive it is a failed lifter?

If this is a truck that has never ticked before and the first time it ticked, a lifter(s) totally grenaded, that would be unusual.

Maybe people on this board have seen/experienced this failure mode before?

 

[crazy jerry]

Wife's truck and she alternated 87-89. She babied that truck like it was one of the kids; it was her first new vehicle. Now I get to fix it. Naturally it will go back stock and after I get it torn down, I'll post pictures of the damage and ask for sourcing on good quality oem spec cam and lifters. I will not go back with oem lifters.

sounds like your already smarter than alot of people that just put the same factory parts back in. im sure theres a bunch of options. comp and johnson off top of my head