Mopars new turbo 6 cylinder Hurricane's appear to be very impressive

crash68 · Mar 26, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Gen I & II?

Gen2 motors, there is no Gen1 motors that made it to production.
The DT body trucks have the Gen3 EcoDiesel motors. Given the Gen3 has only been out a little over a year, not many people put on 100K in that amount of time.

tjfdesmo · Mar 26, 2022

crash68 said:
Not exactly, look at VernDiesel has took two tuned EcoDiesel motors to +400K miles most of which are towing, so it's not a matter of too much power from the displacement. He's not the only one, there is two more that have topped over 400K and on another forum there is considerably long list(w/proof) of EcoDiesels well over 100K and 200K mile marks.

I know of a couple 6.0 Cornbinder Fords that didn't blow up, so does that make it a great engine that is just misunderstood?

The EcoD has had way above normal "rotating mass failures", as they call them internally. The emails and documents were leaked out long ago. I am glad some have good service out of them. I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole.

HEMIMANN said:
Looks like the never-ending attempt at the magical one-size-fits-all (read: cheapest) engines worldwide is what these are about. Little engine is Italian (Alfa Romeo), midsize is FCA, whatever that means - still could be Italian design since both are made in Italy. Not. Good. Just more evidence that Fiat continues to call all the shots, just like they did with the ecodiesel instead of Cummins.

They're still trying to force European vehicles onto the US. Still failing - back to the Fiat 1st exit in 1983, with US car people laughing at them.

FCA Global Medium Engine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Who Owns Fiat?

The cute Italian brand has been pared down in the U.S. We look at who owns Fiat and has been calling the shots.

www.motortrend.com

VM is no Cummins, but have buit diesels for a long time. I also agree that the Euros have a difficult time understanding the US market and don't understand they can't just force the US consumer to buy what they think we should buy. We have to remember the EcoD began life as a stillborn Gimmick Motors project, and was already pretty far along in development, when FCA picked it up. GM has always set impossible weight and cost targets for their automotive diesels. 5.7 Olds diesel-bottom end failures aplenty. 6.2 and 6.5-Well known crank snappers, would break right at the front main saddle. Even the Duramax, which is a good motor, is known to break cranks even on stock engines prior to the L5P. See the pattern?

tidefan1967 · Mar 26, 2022

Wild one said:
Here's another spin on it,this article makes you wonder if the 6.4 truck engine might still stick around.

How Stellantis' New Inline-Six Fits Into the Automaker's EV-Heavy Future

The automaker has big hopes for electrification, but the reality of the situation is more complicated.

www.roadandtrack.com

The funniest part of that article is where they say 50% of new vehicle sales are going to be EVs by 2030. So they’re going to go from 2% to 50% in eight years. No GD way is that going to happen unless the government forces people to buy them.

RLJ10X · Mar 26, 2022

Right now, the guys ahead of the curve are buying every low/medium mileage 6.4 BGE engine they can.

ripping r · Mar 26, 2022

tidefan1967 said:
The funniest part of that article is where they say 50% of new vehicle sales are going to be EVs by 2030. So they’re going to go from 2% to 50% in eight years. No GD way is that going to happen unless the government forces people to buy them.

they all ready started with high gas prices.

ripping r · Mar 26, 2022

RLJ10X said:
Right now, the guys ahead of the curve are buying every low/medium mileage 6.4 BGE engine they can.

I would buy one for the right price. just for parts.

EdGs · Mar 26, 2022

tidefan1967 said:
.....No GD way is that going to happen unless the government forces people to buy them.

Unfortunately, that is EXACTLY what they are trying to do. The squeeze has begun.

NJMOPAR · Mar 26, 2022

They have no intention of building a nationwide network of charging stations.
EV will mean Elitists' Vehicles.
The peons will have bicycles & mass transit.
Control health, control speech, control personal movement.
Their 'Utopia' plan is already in motion.

pacofortacos · Mar 27, 2022

tidefan1967 said:
The funniest part of that article is where they say 50% of new vehicle sales are going to be EVs by 2030. So they’re going to go from 2% to 50% in eight years. No GD way is that going to happen unless the government forces people to buy them.

If I am not mistaken, by 2035 you can only buy EV's in California for cars and trucks, medium and HD trucks shortly after.

Currently they are saying 50% federally by 2030, but I have heard the goal is much higher. With an election coming up, they are only going to say so much and what the current regime does say will most likely be lies or half truths.

Going to spend $7.5 Billion of our dollars to build 500,000 charging stations - which will be approx. $15-20 Billion if it ends up like most gov. projects.

IF the gov. power stays the way it is, I am expecting that there will be a "Cash for Clunkers 2.0" program within a year or 2.

BWL · Mar 27, 2022

Wadejesu said:
Back to the Horse & Buggies, grain & hay haven't gone up that much.

Just be careful trying to reign in all that horse power.

Fediej · Mar 27, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Yes, and the first two had severe problems, didn't they? Ecoboosts were failing left and right from overheating and coked turbos @ ~ 70,000 miles, EcoDiesels blew out crank bearings. Just what you'd expect from too much power from too little displacement, and precisely our point.

Some EDS have had their issues, for sure but with only 240 horses "too much power" has never been the reason.

EdGs said:
I remember our neighbors bought a renault back in the early '80s. What a piece of crap that was.

Truth, but to be Fay-er, most vehicles from the early '80s were pieces of crap.

HEMIMANN · Mar 27, 2022

Fediej said:
Some EDS have had their issues, for sure but with only 240 horses "too much power" has never been the reason.

Truth, but to be Fay-er, most vehicles from the early '80s were pieces of crap.

Oh, yes - the GM's were godawful. The difference is that Fiat hasn't improved.

Regcabguy · Mar 28, 2022

Burla said:
Mopar Ecoboost, maybe they should pay Ford some royalties. Maybe not exactly but has twin turbo's anyhow. A few more years we wont have has engines, lol.

Musk is calling for more fossil fuel extraction and refinery capacity for the foreseeable future. So we'll see.

David James · Mar 28, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Thanks for forwarding for us.

Ok, somebody explain to me how a spark-ignited engine of only 3.0 liters displacement can produce 450 foot-pounds of torque? I see this is a single direct fuel injector per cylinder architecture, so it sure as hell doesn't get there in lean burn A.F.R. mode, so in rich burn mode are they saying they can control gasoline injection timing coincident with the spark as to get an over-rich A.F.R. for greater torque? I don't care how many turbos you put on a sparky, if you can't control pre-ignition, you're gonna blow holes in pistons!

I don't get it. And, dammit, yet ANOTHER single injector engine! ARRGGHH

Ford is doing so with reliability in 2.7 - 3.5 V-6 turbos.

rvance · Mar 28, 2022

AJNY said:
Looks like my 2021 RAM 1500 5.7 is the last truck I will buy. I refuse to get an EV POS. It’s stupid to buy a EV vehicle where charging stations are far and few between. Takes a long time to charge. And wait when the government charges you for each mile you travel your EV. The GRID will never withstand the load placed on it as more EV ‘s become popular.
Wait for the next evacuation order due to a natural disaster and people are stuck in traffic. When the EV’s run out of juice and it takes a half hour to recharge. At least with a gas/diesel you can throw a few extra fuel jugs in the back of the truck or car. Cannot do that with a EV.

When I bought my Ram I intended for it to be the last truck I ever bought.

NJMOPAR · Mar 28, 2022

Regcabguy said:
Musk is calling for more fossil fuel extraction and refinery capacity for the foreseeable future. So we'll see.

Mad Max wasn't looking for batteries.

Mwyz · Mar 28, 2022

So you get 15% better gas mileage but you have to burn premium sound like a wash in cost to me.

Timsdually · Mar 28, 2022

Marmay said:
Anything with a turbo or even worst,dual turbo,is a bummer, no but thanks,no.

If I let you drive my Mercedes SL600 twin turbo V12 you wouldn't think that.

Doug Ram · Mar 28, 2022

crash68 said:
Gen2 motors, there is no Gen1 motors that made it to production.
The DT body trucks have the Gen3 EcoDiesel motors. Given the Gen3 has only been out a little over a year, not many people put on 100K in that amount of time.

Agreed. And while I think they finally got the bugs out of the Gen 3 ED (I have 29,549 trouble free miles on mine so far), if Stellantis needs 10 years and 3 generations to get these new gas turbo engines right, then Stellantis will be dead...

HEMIMANN · Mar 28, 2022

David James said:
Ford is doing so with reliability in 2.7 - 3.5 V-6 turbos.

Hooray!! That only took what, 15 years?

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