How To Add Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

[DeereGuy]

I am honestly at a loss to what the difference may be. There is something we are missing. If you have a Multimeter I would suggest starting the truck and see if you have power to the two pink/yellow wires in the drivers side seat yellow plug. I have mine hooked to a relay to have power when ignition is on run. That is the only thing I can think of where my truck may be different. So I recommend starting the truck and checking those two terminals for power in the yellow plug then turn on the heated seats and then see if there's still power to both pink/yellow wires my truck has power to both of those terminals all the time when it's running because I put it on a relay I'm thinking that may possibly be something that's different. Maybe I inadvertently bypassed something by hooking mine up directly to the battery in a relay where I'm getting power to the modules needed and your truck doesn't Supply it when the heated seats are on

When I roughed in my wiring, I checked each wire with a multimeter to insure that they were working and returning 12+ VDC. I checked both the reds for constant power and the pink/yellows to make sure that they only had power when the key is on. All tested good.

Rick -- Did you ever have a chance to check that schematic difference that I asked about? That could be a difference, but I would think that would cause everything not to work.

I'm going to take the AE tool tonight and see if I can command the Vented seats to come on. I don't want to add the code to the BCM, but if they would come on, that would prove that the wiring is correct.

 

[Ruiner]

[...]There are two different clock springs in these trucks one with the wiring for the heating element in the steering wheels, and one without. If your truck did not come with a heated steering wheel then your clock spring wont have the wiring for it, so you would need to upgrade it as well. The price for use ones vary but around 125.00 or so average, new they are around 250.00.

That must be the issue then, thanks.

 

[WilliamS]

Power on all 3 with truck running and heated seat on full, also with them off, and even in aux mode there is power on all 3. Has to be something in the data loop, just has to be.

Also from the pics, on the left there is a gray connector, 6 pins, theres nothing in it?

 

[WilliamS]

When I roughed in my wiring, I checked each wire with a multimeter to insure that they were working and returning 12+ VDC. I checked both the reds for constant power and the pink/yellows to make sure that they only had power when the key is on. All tested good.

Rick -- Did you ever have a chance to check that schematic difference that I asked about? That could be a difference, but I would think that would cause everything not to work.

I'm going to take the AE tool tonight and see if I can command the Vented seats to come on. I don't want to add the code to the BCM, but if they would come on, that would prove that the wiring is correct.

You can check for faults on them as well, please update me as you go!

 

[Ricks Ram]

This is where I tapped into the heated wheel wires. I had them entering the right side of the plug but not exiting on the left side so I had to pin them thete. See if you truck has the Dark blue/Light green and a gray/Light blue wire going into the right side and then see if there is a corresponding wire on the other side of the plug. I started from scratch and wired my truck and everything works perfectly we can figure this out we just need to find out what the difference is we can rull them out one step at a timeu

 

[DeereGuy]

Adding Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

Here are the errors that I have logged in my heated seat module. I couldn't figure out how to command the functions on in the couple minutes I had to look at it.




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[Ricks Ram]

It seems to be picking up trouble codes for your back seat for some reason they should not even be attached. I just thought of something that I'm not sure if it has anything to do with her or not but my seats came out of a quad cab without the rear heated seat option. Is it possible that there's a different heater seat module for a truck without the heated rear seats as compared to one with?

 

[Ricks Ram]

I will check my truck for codes this weekend . I know it will have a couple of codes in there because I disconnected the CAN a couple times when I was testing it but I'll see what else is there. I'm almost afraid to look lol but everything seems to work perfect. I am also going to get the part number off my heated seat module we can compare and see if there's a difference between the two. Also it would be good if William S can look at his truck and see if he has a heated steering wheel wires going into the left side of that plug I showed in the picture

 

[WilliamS]

I will check my truck for codes this weekend . I know it will have a couple of codes in there because I disconnected the CAN a couple times when I was testing it but I'll see what else is there. I'm almost afraid to look lol but everything seems to work perfect. I am also going to get the part number off my heated seat module we can compare and see if there's a difference between the two. Also it would be good if William S can look at his truck and see if he has a heated steering wheel wires going into the left side of that plug I showed in the picture

Confirmed the wires on are both sides of the harness.




You can see them on both sides of the harness, so confirmed.

 

[WilliamS]

Here are the errors that I have logged in my heated seat module. I couldn't figure out how to command the functions on in the couple minutes I had to look at it.




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Do you have the cooled seats in, it doesnt look like it either sees them or there are no errors for them if you have them in there.

 

[Ricks Ram]

I am starting to lean a little bit towards the seat module maybe being the issue. 00/RT installed Bighorn seats in his truck and they worked perfectly and so does his heated wheel. Big Horns are not available with rear heated seats. I installed Laramie seats in my truck that had no rear heated seat option and they work perfectly as well as the heated wheel. Both of your seats most likely came out of trucks that had rear heated seats and maybe they use a different module that is not compatible unless the rear heated seats are hooked up. I'm just throwing stuff out there but it's something we should look into.

 

[00R/T]

I'm having trouble keeping up here.

I saw something about the turn signal stalk. There's no difference in that between heated and not heated. You can just unclip it and move it from the old clockspring over to the new one. That's all irrelevant though.

I'm a bit concerned about those voltage codes the module has stored. I wonder if there is a power path that is missing.

 

[DeereGuy]

Adding Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

My module part # is 68217268AB. I found a Laramie on eBay that has the front jump seat so it should have heated cooled front seats but nothing on the back. I've asked Benny for that module part#. I was thinking about getting one if it is a different part# so those back seat errors will go away.

 

[DeereGuy]

I'm having trouble keeping up here.

I saw something about the turn signal stalk. There's no difference in that between heated and not heated. You can just unclip it and move it from the old clockspring over to the new one. That's all irrelevant though.

I'm a bit concerned about those voltage codes the module has stored. I wonder if there is a power path that is missing.

The only power path that I didn't put in per the schematics was the 20 gauage 10 amp F928 circuit that ran to the center console heat buttons. So I'm not sure. I didn't have the truck running, just the key on when I took that screen capture. Not sure if that makes a difference or not.

 

[WilliamS]

I'm having trouble keeping up here.

I saw something about the turn signal stalk. There's no difference in that between heated and not heated. You can just unclip it and move it from the old clockspring over to the new one. That's all irrelevant though.

I'm a bit concerned about those voltage codes the module has stored. I wonder if there is a power path that is missing.

There in fact is. I have 2 trucks on my lot (I run a Ford store) I have my 2014 bighorn and a 2014 Laramie Longhorn. The part Im talking about is the one that holds the wiper stalk, the stalk might be movable but the base the clockspring sits in is different. There is a place holder that holds the heated steering wheels blue connector. That area is different as the module for the heated steering wheel to snap in will not fit into my trucks column piece. I should have taken pictures of it apart, but I assure you they were different and not compatible. I took them apart seperatly and systematically. When I removed the heated wheel module pass through there is bracing and the place holder in the way. Unless I cut it up it will not fit I promise you that. If I get bored on Monday, and that would be amazingly bored Ill pull it apart to show you.


68217268AA is my seats module part number. <--- the donor truck had heated wheel, heated and cooled front and heated rears if anyone is making a list

 

[00R/T]

There in fact is. I have 2 trucks on my lot (I run a Ford store) I have my 2014 bighorn and a 2014 Laramie Longhorn. The part Im talking about is the one that holds the wiper stalk, the stalk might be movable but the base the clockspring sits in is different. There is a place holder that holds the heated steering wheels blue connector. That area is different as the module for the heated steering wheel to snap in will not fit into my trucks column piece. I should have taken pictures of it apart, but I assure you they were different and not compatible. I took them apart seperatly and systematically. When I removed the heated wheel module pass through there is bracing and the place holder in the way. Unless I cut it up it will not fit I promise you that. If I get bored on Monday, and that would be amazingly bored Ill pull it apart to show you.


68217268AA is my seats module part number. <--- the donor truck had heated wheel, heated and cooled front and heated rears if anyone is making a list

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the bracing and the steering wheel snapping in. I've had 3 different clocksprings - a '13 1500 without heat, a '13 2500 with heat, and a '15 1500 with heat. They are all identical externally with the exception of the heated ones having the extra lead at the top that plugs into the wheel. I just pushed the tab on the wiper stalk base, slid it out, and popped it in the new one. Rick did the same on his truck going from his stock '14 one to the '13 heated one I sold him. The only other difference is that the Laramie probably had the adjustable pedal switch on it. That swaps out though, too. The other trucks just have a spacer. I don't know if it has anything to do with why it didn't work, but the fact that it didn't swap right in like it should makes me wonder if everything was setup properly when you put it in your truck.

 

[00R/T]

Rick might be onto something with the heated rear seats and it being a different module. It sounds like both of you guys who are having issues have p/n 68217268AB. If you look up that number it mentions heated rear seats.

The one in my truck is 68217263AB, which I can't find any info on.

@DeereGuy, I just fired up the AE tool and didn't see an option to command on the vented, just the heated. I didn't feel like installing my hard switch panel with the vented buttons, but I added the codes to get the soft keys on the radio. After I did that, I could turn them on and the icon would stay lit for a bit. I believe that means the CSWM was getting the ON command and replying to it, but it detected the fans weren't turning on so it kicked off. I'd be really curious to see what yours does in that situation. The fact that you never even see the icon on the top of the radio or the LEDs light makes it seem like the module is never even getting the request from the switch.

 

[WilliamS]

I'm not sure what you're talking about with the bracing and the steering wheel snapping in. I've had 3 different clocksprings - a '13 1500 without heat, a '13 2500 with heat, and a '15 1500 with heat. They are all identical externally with the exception of the heated ones having the extra lead at the top that plugs into the wheel. I just pushed the tab on the wiper stalk base, slid it out, and popped it in the new one. Rick did the same on his truck going from his stock '14 one to the '13 heated one I sold him. The only other difference is that the Laramie probably had the adjustable pedal switch on it. That swaps out though, too. The other trucks just have a spacer. I don't know if it has anything to do with why it didn't work, but the fact that it didn't swap right in like it should makes me wonder if everything was setup properly when you put it in your truck.

Ill get a picture Monday. I assure you they are not the same. The clocksprings are the same size and shape other than the heated wheel wire, but the housing that holds the clockspring is not.

 

[00R/T]

Ill get a picture Monday. I assure you they are not the same. The clocksprings are the same size and shape other than the heated wheel wire, but the housing that holds the clockspring is not.

That's the part that I'm missing. There isn't any housing that holds the clockspring. You pull off the wheel, you unbolt the clockspring from the column, and then you just have a bare steering column with a protruding shaft. I'm kind of feeling like you may have disassembled the clockspring and only swapped over part of it? I'm not sure.

 

[12sportmc]

That's the part that I'm missing. There isn't any housing that holds the clockspring. You pull off the wheel, you unbolt the clockspring from the column, and then you just have a bare steering column with a protruding shaft. I'm kind of feeling like you may have disassembled the clockspring and only swapped over part of it? I'm not sure.

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