How To Add Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

[cptwing]

I was also very confused by Willams and also wonder if he partially disassembled the clock spring? I also have taken a few of these steering wheel an clocksprings off and his post confused me. The fact that they were different? Maybe he disassembled the different clock springs? Anyway just thought I woul take some pics of my new clockspring for comparison,

 

[00R/T]

Thanks for the pics! I only had a few crappy ones. Those last two show the slots on the side for the signal stalk and the adjustable pedal switch (or filler plate).

See how there are two separate labels with part numbers? I bet that center piece pulls out along that square wave looking junction at the bottom left and that's what WilliamS did.

 

[cptwing]

Well at 250.00 I aint trying that!!!

 

[DeereGuy]

Is this what you guys are talking about? Forward to 2:35 in the video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4tq_zhkcck


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[WilliamS]

Is this what you guys are talking about? Forward to 2:35 in the video

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4tq_zhkcck


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Yup that's the video I watch to remove the clockspring, I wasn't under the assumption I needed the assembly as everyone just kept saying clockspring, which is what he removes in the video.

The clockspring is the part removed in that video and has a separate part number from the housing. I knew I wasn't crazy.

 

[DeereGuy]

So I have a dumb question. If the black wire in the clockspring plugs into the heated connnector inside the steering wheel, what plugs into the two pin connector in the steering column that I just fed power to from the heated seat module? I haven't tore mine apart yet to see everything.


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[WilliamS]

There will be a connector in a blank spot that plugs into that coming from the dash. It's on the top right of the assembly. Memory serves me it's blue

 

[00R/T]

Adding Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

Yup that's the video I watch to remove the clockspring, I wasn't under the assumption I needed the assembly as everyone just kept saying clockspring, which is what he removes in the video.

The clockspring is the part removed in that video and has a separate part number from the housing. I knew I wasn't crazy.

Yeah, that guy doesn't know what he's doing. Per the factory service manual, the entire thing is the clockspring and it must be serviced as an assembly. You can't buy those pieces separately. Fortunately it sounds like nothing broke when you pulled it apart.

EDIT: I just noticed he's doing it with the truck running! What a dummy!

 

[cptwing]

Thanks for posting that video. The pictures I posted are of of the clock spring as it is sold by and meant to be serviced/replaced by Fiat as a unit.

So again the reason yours was different is the housing and the clockspring are sold and serviced as one and not meant to be taken apart!

Even though that is what they did in the video. Also I have never seen that dampener before and I have changed over half a dozen of these wheels?

Obviously that video was not made in a US truck. What I found very odd was friggin with the airbag while the truck was powered and running that is completely friggin stupid!!!! This guy is a fu##ing halfwit!!!

If you look at the bulletin I posted in post 124, you will see the heated wheel plug that plugs into the back of the clockspring, on non heated wheel trucks it is there sitting in a plastic holder.

In figure 4 of the same bulletin you will see no dampener like he mentions.
The Skinny is RT was right you actually disassembled the clock spring.

Oh and one last thing there are two part number tags on the new assembly one on the actual clock spring and one on the housing but they are the same p/n 68110740AE.

So now lets get back on track here, I have and have had everything I need to do this for awhile except my truck! I expect that back this coming week sometime.

I have had my seats for a lot of months, trying to find a black jumpseat, finally recovered mine.

Anyway my truck regular cab HD, donor seats Laramie CC no rear heated seats, so mine should be a good bench mark, I will also have the autoengniity by then and I am not that far away from RT when I need help, at least I hope so.

 

[WilliamS]

Yeah, that guy doesn't know what he's doing. Per the factory service manual, the entire thing is the clockspring and it must be serviced as an assembly. You can't buy those pieces separately. Fortunately it sounds like nothing broke when you pulled it apart.

EDIT: I just noticed he's doing it with the truck running! What a dummy!

Pulled them both that way before I realized they whole stupid thing needed to be removed. Would have saved me time and a lot of colorful words. My truck surely wasn't running.

Both trucks work perfectly, the donor trucks heated wheel still works, even though it didn't in mine . . . And all the controls work on both.


Still gotta figure out the wildcard on why two of followed the same path and got the same result, heated works cooled doesnt. There has to a data path, just has to be. I'll keep waiting for instructions. The wheel wasn't the key, power is at the connector, next!!!

 

[WilliamS]

Thanks for posting that video.


The Skinny is RT was right you actually disassembled the clock spring.

If anyone can take too many steps it's me. It's the only youtube video of a 2013 or newer with clockspring in it. That guy really took no caution to the bomb he's playing with but he did in fact get it apart so I followed suit.


I'm usually wrong, it's ok. Good news is I'm easily pointed in the right direction and yes I'll screw that up also.

 

[00R/T]

Apparently the damper is for Cummins trucks only. The 2500 column I stripped had one in it.

 

[Ricks Ram]

If anyone can take too many steps it's me. It's the only youtube video of a 2013 or newer with clockspring in it. That guy really took no caution to the bomb he's playing with but he did in fact get it apart so I followed suit.


I'm usually wrong, it's ok. Good news is I'm easily pointed in the right direction and yes I'll screw that up also.

Nobody's perfect. We all just learn together. I do belive your heated wheel should have worked and maybe you may have had something a little out of wack when you made your clockspring switch. We did learn something from your experience though. We now know that the heated wheel being installed is not necessarily needed in order for the ventelated seats to function because your donor trucks ventelated seats still worked after you removed the heated wheel. That ruled that out as being part of the problem. The next logical thing as I've stated is I believe it could be the actual heated seat module itself. In my opinion that's the next viable option to look into. cptwing will be a good barometer for us to go off of when he tries his install. I'm going to look at my heated seat module when I get home and get the part number hopefully the part number on my seats will match his since we know neither one of them came with rear heated seats.

 

[00R/T]

Nobody's perfect. We all just learn together. I do belive your heated wheel should have worked and maybe you may have had something a little out of wack when you made your clockspring switch. We did learn something from your experience though. We now know that the heated wheel being installed is not necessarily needed in order for the ventelated seats to function because your donor trucks ventelated seats still worked after you removed the heated wheel. That ruled that out as being part of the problem. The next logical thing as I've stated is I believe it could be the actual heated seat module itself. In my opinion that's the next viable option to look into. cptwing will be a good barometer for us to go off of when he tries his install. I'm going to look at my heated seat module when I get home and get the part number hopefully the part number on my seats will match his since we know neither one of them came with rear heated seats.

I'm very interested to see if yours matches mine or if we have three variants on our hands. My new seats are from a heated rear truck, so I nay need to track down the module you have if it's different.

 

[Ricks Ram]

I'm very interested to see if yours matches mine or if we have three variants on our hands. My new seats are from a heated rear truck, so I nay need to track down the module you have if it's different.

I sure hope it's different. It would hopefully answer a lot of questions.

 

[DeereGuy]

Rick might be onto something with the heated rear seats and it being a different module. It sounds like both of you guys who are having issues have p/n 68217268AB. If you look up that number it mentions heated rear seats.

The one in my truck is 68217263AB, which I can't find any info on.

@DeereGuy, I just fired up the AE tool and didn't see an option to command on the vented, just the heated. I didn't feel like installing my hard switch panel with the vented buttons, but I added the codes to get the soft keys on the radio. After I did that, I could turn them on and the icon would stay lit for a bit. I believe that means the CSWM was getting the ON command and replying to it, but it detected the fans weren't turning on so it kicked off. I'd be really curious to see what yours does in that situation. The fact that you never even see the icon on the top of the radio or the LEDs light makes it seem like the module is never even getting the request from the switch.

Could you PM me how you add the codes. I'll take my AE computer to the farm with me today and try it out. I just haven't had the time to sit down and learn the software yet.


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[WilliamS]

Could you PM me how you add the codes. I'll take my AE computer to the farm with me today and try it out. I just haven't had the time to sit down and learn the software yet.


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No no, show us here. If it works I'll spend the money today.

 

[00R/T]

After you connect to the truck, pick the "Body Control Module" from the module list. Once it connects, go over to the "Test OnBoard System" tab and pick "Module Configuration" from the dropdown. You can then navigate all the options using the 3 buttons on the top right (you can't navigate the list directly with mouse or keyboard). The setting you want is under ECU 3. There is another under "Memory", but I've never touched the ones in there.

Something interesting to note. The settings in the BCM on mine have them off, but if I read the status from the CSWM it has vented front seats and heated rear seats enabled. This is nothing I set and nothing I can see how to change.

 

[cptwing]

What is CSWM?

 

[00R/T]

Adding Heated/Ventelated seats and Heated Wheel to Express/Tradesman

What is CWSM?

Comfort Seat and Wheel Module. It's the module under the driver's seat that handles all the heat and cool functions for the seats and wheel.