Unable to pull trailer up hill?

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Cruzman

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When I took my truck for a test drive before purchasing, one of the things I did was stop on the side of a pretty steep grade and try to pull away. When I did this the truck did not move for several seconds and then started spinning the rear tires. What I later learned is that the truck has a hill start assist that locks the brakes for a few seconds after they are released. Could this be the issue you are having? (it was at least a 3 second delay). BTW truck will not roll backwards during this same time period (which is the intent)
 
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I don't think my truck has hill start assist, at least I have not found it.

I understand stall speed very well coming from the racing field. finding the right stall speed for your power curve is important. What was interesting about the article to me was the torque specs they wrote. RAM has a stall speed of 2K to 2.5K when that is after the torque peak....hmmmm. I wonder why they did that except to maybe be easier on the drive train somehow?

Anyway, that is what was going on I believe. The truck went to the stall speed (around 2K) and just hung there, then slightly started to move. It was most likely out of the torque range for the load/grade.

Again, glad I have the 4wd Low.
 
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I don't think my truck has hill start assist, at least I have not found it.

I understand stall speed very well coming from the racing field. finding the right stall speed for your power curve is important. What was interesting about the article to me was the torque specs they wrote. RAM has a stall speed of 2K to 2.5K when that is after the torque peak....hmmmm. I wonder why they did that except to maybe be easier on the drive train somehow?

Anyway, that is what was going on I believe. The truck went to the stall speed (around 2K) and just hung there, then slightly started to move. It was most likely out of the torque range for the load/grade.

Again, glad I have the 4wd Low.

That and because these trucks are generic and made for many different scenarios and situations so Ram has to build it for general purposes. The stall speed of a torque converter is a range that constantly changes depending on the torque input and other variables rather than a fixed rpm. For example, the stall speed will drop as elevation increases and will also change depending upon the power output of the engine. The range of the stock unit is too high in order to cover these variables.

Also add in the factor of the 3.42 rear end not multiplying the torque output enough to move load which is why you needed to multiply it even further with 4LO to get it moving. If your DPF was close to a regen then it could also be another variable since the extra back pressure of a clogged DPF will cause a decrease in power until it regens.

This is why I modify every truck I have ever owned to make it custom to how I use it rather its generic form.
 
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I don't think my truck has hill start assist, at least I have not found it.

I understand stall speed very well coming from the racing field. finding the right stall speed for your power curve is important. What was interesting about the article to me was the torque specs they wrote. RAM has a stall speed of 2K to 2.5K when that is after the torque peak....hmmmm. I wonder why they did that except to maybe be easier on the drive train somehow?

Anyway, that is what was going on I believe. The truck went to the stall speed (around 2K) and just hung there, then slightly started to move. It was most likely out of the torque range for the load/grade.

Again, glad I have the 4wd Low.

I think it sounds like the Hill Start Assist (HSA) is activating. I also think most HDs have it. There is no hard button for HSA on any Ram. Do you have the 8.4 UConnect or base stereo? There is a setting in the UConnect to toggle HSA off/on. It looks like there's an easy way to tell; open the driver's door next time you're in that situation. I guess you could also just let off the brakes and see if it rolls back or not. It also applies your trailer brakes.

Anyway, here is a description of the system from the owner's manual:

Hill Start Assist (HSA)

The HSA system is designed to mitigate roll back from a complete stop while on an incline. If the driver releases the brake while stopped on an incline, HSA will continue to hold the brake pressure for a short period. If the driver does not apply the throttle before this time expires, the system will release brake pressure and the vehicle will roll down the hill as normal.

The following conditions must be met in order for HSA to activate:

• The feature must be enabled.
• The vehicle must be stopped.
• Park brake must be off.
• Driver door must be closed.
• The vehicle must be on a sufficient grade.
• The gear selection must match vehicle uphill direction (i.e., vehicle facing uphill is in forward gear; vehicle backing uphill is in REVERSE gear).
• HSA will work in REVERSE gear and all forward gears. The system will not activate if the transmission is in PARK or NEUTRAL. For vehicles equipped with a manual transmission, if the clutch is pressed, HSA will remain active.

Towing With HSA

HSA will also provide assistance to mitigate roll back while towing a trailer.

• If you use a trailer brake controller with your trailer, the trailer brakes may be activated and deactivated with the brake switch. If so, there may not be enough brake pressure to hold both the vehicle and the trailer on a hill when the brake pedal is released. In order to avoid rolling down an
incline while resuming acceleration, manually ac- tivate the trailer brake or apply more vehicle brake pressure prior to releasing the brake pedal.

  • HSA is not a parking brake. Always apply the parking brake fully when leaving your vehicle. Also, be certain to leave the transmission in PARK.

  • Failure to follow these warnings may cause the vehicle to roll down the incline and could collide with another vehicle, object or person, and cause serious or fatal injury. Always remember to use the parking brake while parking on a hill and that the driver is responsible for braking the vehicle.

  1. Disabling And Enabling HSA

    This feature can be turned on or turned off. To change the current setting, proceed as follows:
  • For vehicles equipped with the Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC) or Driver Information Dis- play (DID), refer to “Electronic Vehicle Information Center (EVIC)” or “Driver Information Display (DID)” in “Understanding Your Instrument Panel” for further information.

  • If disabling HSA using Uconnect Settings, refer to “Uconnect Settings” in “Understanding Your Instru- 5 ment Panel” for further information.

    For vehicles not equipped with the EVIC/DID, perform the following steps:
    1. Center the steering wheel (front wheels pointing straight forward).
    2. Shift the transmission into PARK. 3. Apply the parking brake.
    4. Start the engine.
    5. Rotate the steering wheel slightly more than one-half turn to the left.
    6. Push the “ESC Off” button located in the lower switch bank below the climate control four times within twenty seconds. The “ESC Off Indicator Light” should turn on and turn off two times.
    7. Rotate the steering wheel back to center and then an additional slighty more than one-half turn to the right.
    8. Turn the ignition switch to the OFF position and then back to the ON position. If the sequence was completed properly, the “ESC Off Indicator Light” will blink several times to confirm HSA is disabled.
    9. Repeat these steps if you want to return this feature to its previous setting.
 

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I don't think my truck has hill start assist, at least I have not found it.

I understand stall speed very well coming from the racing field. finding the right stall speed for your power curve is important. What was interesting about the article to me was the torque specs they wrote. RAM has a stall speed of 2K to 2.5K when that is after the torque peak....hmmmm. I wonder why they did that except to maybe be easier on the drive train somehow?

Anyway, that is what was going on I believe. The truck went to the stall speed (around 2K) and just hung there, then slightly started to move. It was most likely out of the torque range for the load/grade.

Again, glad I have the 4wd Low.

i'm pretty sure you have hill assist.. I have the lowly tradesman and I have it on mine. Its not something you need to find, it engages automatically.
I also have a sloping driveway, with a small level pad at the bottom for my camper. I hook up to it (nearly 10K) and my truck is sitting on about a 4-5% slope, I throttle up and for about 1-2 seconds then the force overcomes the hill asssist feature and its releases and away I go. I tried it in 4 low and it is not nearly as noticable.
 
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Well no sh**....I found something called hill start assist in the U-Connect. I turned it off and with similar loading, it provided the power to the rear wheels almost immediately. It was still quite a strain on the truck with the load and grade so I used 4 low anyway since I have it. When I originally tried to move the load I probably stopped short of letting the hill start assist release. That was why it just sat there not moving. I quit before it released thinking it was too much and went to 4 low.

When some were mentioning hill start assist I was confusing it with my Jeep's "Hill Assist" which keeps you going slow downhill in 4 low. I looked in the U-Connect on the Jeep too and also found the hill start assist. Two different things.

Anyway, this is why the forum is here. To learn.

I am also wondering if there is a quick way to get to the trailer brake setting in the U-Connect without having to go through all the steps, app manager>>scroll to page 2>> settings>>trailer brake. Is there any shortcut to that function? I saw there was a "favorite app" section but it only allows a bunch of unused apps to be set in there. I did see you can get to settings through that way, but it is still not really a shortcut.

Here is another question if anyone knows.....when a trailer is attached, does the hill assist also keep pressure on the trailer brakes as well, or just the truck?
 
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