Oil Filter Thread

[06 Dodge]

And, before anybody says anything about the early OCI..my plan is 2500 (Blackstone analysis), then 5k, and every 5k after.

Forget Blackstone labs they are overpriced and outdated, use either the Fleetguard #2543 or Amsoil #Kit06 as they are a lot cheaper, both kits offer TBN at no extra cost and they both use the same top notch oil testing lab called POLARIS, Laboratories

 

[corneileous]

Forget Blackstone labs they are overpriced and outdated, use either the Fleetguard #2543 or Amsoil #Kit06 as they are a lot cheaper, both kits offer TBN at no extra cost and they both use the same top notch oil testing lab called POLARIS, Laboratories

I just ordered another Blackstone test after my last oil change and it was about $40 for the standard analysis.

Most of us changing oil around 5k miles are mainly watching wear metals, silicon, viscosity, and insolubles anyways just to make sure everything looks normal so factoring in the extra cost of the TBN is kind of irrelevant anyway. At that point the price difference between the labs really isn’t that big, and keeping the same lab for trend history on the same engine is probably more useful than switching around just to save a few dollars.

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

Just a word about filtration and spectrograpgic UOAs: the UOA will only find particles of wear metals at sizes that are much smaller than those used to rate filters. Typically, the UOA is measuring well below 5 micron. A filter, rated at 20 microns, is filtering particles much, much larger than what the UOA is counting. There's no good way to correlate UOA data with oil filter efficiency. You can't take a UOA and determine whether or not your filter is doing a good job.

 

[corneileous]

Just a word about filtration and spectrograpgic UOAs: the UOA will only find particles of wear metals at sizes that are much smaller than those used to rate filters. Typically, the UOA is measuring well below 5 micron. A filter, rated at 20 microns, is filtering particles much, much larger than what the UOA is counting. There's no good way to correlate UOA data with oil filter efficiency. You can't take a UOA and determine whether or not your filter is doing a good job.

You’re right that spectrographic UOAs mainly detect very small particles, so they won’t directly measure the particle sizes filters are rated for. But that doesn’t mean they’re useless for judging how clean the oil is staying.

Things like insolubles, silicon, and wear trends still give a pretty good picture of whether contamination and wear are under control over the interval. It won’t tell you exact filter efficiency, but it can still show if the system is doing its job.

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

You’re right that spectrographic UOAs mainly detect very small particles, so they won’t directly measure the particle sizes filters are rated for. But that doesn’t mean they’re useless for judging how clean the oil is staying.

Things like insolubles, silicon, and wear trends still give a pretty good picture of whether contamination and wear are under control over the interval. It won’t tell you exact filter efficiency, but it can still show if the system is doing its job.

Sure. I absolutely agree that UOAs are valuable. Just not for judging the relative performance of an oil filter.

 

[corneileous]

Sure. I absolutely agree that UOAs are valuable. Just not for judging the relative performance of an oil filter.

I know a UOA isn’t going to rank filters by micron efficiency or anything like that. But they do help to watch wear trends, silicon, and insolubles over time to make sure the oil system is staying clean and the engine is wearing normally over the interval. It’s more about seeing if the setup is working overall than trying to measure filter performance directly.

 

[RidgeRunner_167]

Forget Blackstone labs they are overpriced and outdated, use either the Fleetguard #2543 or Amsoil #Kit06 as they are a lot cheaper, both kits offer TBN at no extra cost and they both use the same top notch oil testing lab called POLARIS, Laboratories

Blackstone also does mere estimation for fuel dilution. While not as big of a deal for those of us running port injected NA engines, it can be of concern for GDI or for those experiencing a significant amount of shearing down out of grade.

Blackstone is overpriced. They ride on their name. I like OA or Polaris better.

 

[Travis8352]

You can get wearcheck kits thru HPL for 35 bucks as well. Their reports are pretty nice

 

[Burla]

You can get wearcheck kits thru HPL for 35 bucks as well. Their reports are pretty nice

can you post an example, pretty cool.

 

[Travis8352]

can you post an example, pretty cool.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/lab-comparison-hpl-wearcheck-and-speediagnostix-uao-sample-results.402006/

Heres a link comparing speed diagnostix to wearcheck

 

[Burla]

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/threads/lab-comparison-hpl-wearcheck-and-speediagnostix-uao-sample-results.402006/

Heres a link comparing speed diagnostix to wearcheck

very impressive thanks, the second one is HPL? And they include tbn for the 35?

 

[Travis8352]

very impressive thanks, the second one is HPL? And they include tbn for the 35?

Yes! And oxidation to! I took a sample of my factory fill on the durango to send to them. I know its a waste but im gonna try and take a sample for every change

 

[Burla]

And the best sample lab is HPL.

puro boss and HPL, buy some stock.

 

[Curmudgeon]

And the best sample lab is HPL.

puro boss and HPL, buy some stock.

Link? I haven't found it.

 

[Replacement]

Well i got a few....gonna be awhile before I run them all.

 

[Travis8352]

Link? I haven't found it.

Oil Sample Kit

Oil Sample Kit

www.advlubrication.com

Save the link cause its actually hard to find unless im just a moron lol

 

[Curmudgeon]

Oil Sample Kit

Oil Sample Kit

www.advlubrication.com

Save the link cause its actually hard to find unless im just a moron lol

Saved! Thanks.

 

[HEMIMANN]

That's HPL's Distributor, not HPL.

And btw, UOA is absolutely valuable because particles causing wear are small, 5-20 micro. Look it up. I'm not gonna find the test for ya - from Lake Speed somewhere.

 

[Travis8352]

That's HPL's Distributor, not HPL.

And btw, UOA is absolutely valuable because particles causing wear are small, 5-20 micro. Look it up. I'm not gonna find the test for ya - from Lake Speed somewhere.

Yes they sell it through their distributor

 

[knightjp]

How are K&N oil filters in comparison to that of WIX XP, FRAM and Bosch?