Retrofit of the 12” UAX radio and screen into a Tradesman

[g00fy]

I get what you’re saying, and it would *most likely* work. On the original manual controls, there is an 8-way connector from the truck plugged into the back of them-

When you get the 12”, that connector gets plugged into the screen with an extension harness that switches the pin locations around. You would need to make a “Y” harness that would plug into the back of the old manual controls AND plug into the back of the 12” screen with the pin switch.

I think the easier solution would be to add the necessary temp sensors to the appropriate vents, and get the auto temp working correctly. I have the schematics to get the auto temp wired in, but I’m not sure the exact locations of the sensors in the vents or how they’re installed without seeing it on an auto temp equipped truck. Those who have the windows version of AlfaOBD, there’s no reason to pay infotainment all that money for their kit, because you can source the parts brand new for under $2000.

I'm wondering if you can just bypass the head unit all together as far as climate control goes, at least until a solid solution to integrate it comes out.

Also I totally agree, there's no way i'm paying infotainment $4000 for their kit, that's just over the top.

I'm going nuts not having android auto, and I feel like the cost of a UAM + new bezel is a waste when i could just go right up to the 12" in the first place.

 

[Jimmy07]

I'm wondering if you can just bypass the head unit all together as far as climate control goes, at least until a solid solution to integrate it comes out.

Also I totally agree, there's no way i'm paying infotainment $4000 for their kit, that's just over the top.

I'm going nuts not having android auto, and I feel like the cost of a UAM + new bezel is a waste when i could just go right up to the 12" in the first place.

The screen needs the 8-way connector plugged in also, otherwise the volume and tune knobs won’t work along with the hazards.

 

[g00fy]

The screen needs the 8-way connector plugged in also, otherwise the volume and tune knobs won’t work along with the hazards.

Ah, good to know

 

[djcwardog]

...I think the easier solution would be to add the necessary temp sensors to the appropriate vents, and get the auto temp working correctly. I have the schematics to get the auto temp wired in, but I’m not sure the exact locations of the sensors in the vents or how they’re installed without seeing it on an auto temp equipped truck. Those who have the windows version of AlfaOBD, there’s no reason to pay infotainment all that money for their kit, because you can source the parts brand new for under $2000.

I agree with you there. The best for me would have been to be able to tell the UAX to operate in manual mode only for the temp controls. However, the only climate setting that would function was when you selected “Dual Zone ATC” for that coding choice in AlphaOBD.

As for pricing, I got a discount when I bought mine but still a hefty price tag. I recently checked online for pricing of the UAM components: you need the bezel - outside piece that mates to the dash opening~$220 but it’s not yet clear to me if I can swap in the 8.4” stuff to my factory bezel that has the 5” UAA and its surrounding center control section (the three knobs plus 4-way flashers) in there now. If so you save that $220. Going on, you need the specific rear bracket for the 8.4” screen ~$12, center control section - the black piece with the three MTC knobs in it ~$330 and the screen itself- $725.76. By comprison, the 12" UAX screen is ~$1100. If you buy it all, this adds up to nearly $1300 retail. Makes their $1699 retail price a bit more in line.

How do we set up these components ourselves using AlphaOBD? Can we set up factory-new components as well as used that came off another truck? Clearly, AlphaOBD can be used to change settings in the BCM as you showed me, but what about other modules? The radio module (when I checked it for UAX) showed just a couple options to change and none seemed relevant. Is there is VIN writing screen? I did see an edit capability but have not explored further into that yet. I ask because I would like to swap in a used 7” color cluster or EVIC. Of course, it is set up for another truck (came off of a 1500 but looks to be the same part?) and shows many miles. I would want to set it to show my miles and hours, etc.

 

[Jimmy07]

I agree with you there. The best for me would have been to be able to tell the UAX to operate in manual mode only for the temp controls. However, the only climate setting that would function was when you selected “Dual Zone ATC” for that coding choice in AlphaOBD.

As for pricing, I got a discount when I bought mine but still a hefty price tag. I recently checked online for pricing of the UAM components: you need the bezel - outside piece that mates to the dash opening~$220 but it’s not yet clear to me if I can swap in the 8.4” stuff to my factory bezel that has the 5” UAA and its surrounding center control section (the three knobs plus 4-way flashers) in there now. If so you save that $220. Going on, you need the specific rear bracket for the 8.4” screen ~$12, center control section - the black piece with the three MTC knobs in it ~$330 and the screen itself- $725.76. By comprison, the 12" UAX screen is ~$1100. If you buy it all, this adds up to nearly $1300 retail. Makes their $1699 retail price a bit more in line.

How do we set up these components ourselves using AlphaOBD? Can we set up factory-new components as well as used that came off another truck? Clearly, AlphaOBD can be used to change settings in the BCM as you showed me, but what about other modules? The radio module (when I checked it for UAX) showed just a couple options to change and none seemed relevant. Is there is VIN writing screen? I did see an edit capability but have not explored further into that yet. I ask because I would like to swap in a used 7” color cluster or EVIC. Of course, it is set up for another truck (came off of a 1500 but looks to be the same part?) and shows many miles. I would want to set it to show my miles and hours, etc.

When you swap in the 12” radio, or the 8.4” radio with nav, you need to connect to the BCM as a 2017 Pacifica. You would change cabin net display screen module to yes, and cabin net integrated center stack to no. If all the correct auto temp sensors are installed, to get auto climate to work, you would change VehConfig 3 HVAC configuration to dual zone. The passenger side HVAC controls will not have any affect unless you swap in the dual climate plenum and actuator.

It doesn’t matter if the parts are new or used, they will pull your VIN from the BCM with no need for a VIN write. Same with a cluster.

For the cluster swap, you just find a used one and swap it in, and it just works. I don’t think AlfaOBD can do the mileage correction on the 5th gens or 2019+ HD’s yet, but there is a member on here that has a device that can do it. I’ll have to hunt down that post where I saw that.

 

[Jimmy07]

Here’s the 12” screen 68312620AF- https://www.bamwholesaleparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-center-stack-68312620af

Radio module for 12” screen 68317978AI- https://www.bamwholesaleparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-radio-multi-media-68317978ai

Center stack (multiple part numbers depending trim color) black/black 6EZ152X9AA- https://www.bamwholesaleparts.com/o...ent-panel-bezel-6ez154x9ae?c=cT02RVoxNTJYOUFB

LVDS cable (connects screen to radio module) 68082364AC- https://www.bamwholesaleparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-jumper-cable-68082364ac-68082364ac

And about $15 in parts to make the conversion harness.

 

[djcwardog]

I like that Bamwholesaleparts.com site. As for a 7" cluster they will likely list mine for a 2500 but how to cross reference the part # so I can buy a used one, say from a 1500, if they are indeed the same hardware? Perhaps they use discrete MOPAR part numbers to discriminate what base programming has been inserted into the same hardware? Then each would part # would refer to the same part but set up to suit each particular application. For example: Limited, Big Horn, Laramie, etc. splash screens are all different. Now to find a plug-in auto-dim mirror, and the steering wheel audio control buttons!

 

[djcwardog]

I just got my UAM kit and installed it. Note that the silver trim is too bright and that I have two buttons to defeat traction control. The one at far bottom continues to work properly and the one alongside the 4-way flashers does nothing. Nice, clear display. Have not found any settings for HD Radio so maybe it is not included.

 

[mlrtimemach]

I just got my UAM kit and installed it. Note that the silver trim is too bright and that I have two buttons to defeat traction control. The one at far bottom continues to work properly and the one alongside the 4-way flashers does nothing. Nice, clear display. Have not found any settings for HD Radio so maybe it is not included.

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Mine the same. Traction control next to flashers doesn't work an the ability for the screen to dim with lights on or off doesn't work. Other than that I liked it to. The Andriod Play was a pain in ass at first but like it now that I figured it out. Don't like that google maps works all the time but that seems to be an issue with it. Can't stop it from running

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[djcwardog]

Mine the same. Traction control next to flashers doesn't work... Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

I started a new support ticket with them and included a few photos of their own item description for the UAM that show a center stack with just one button, not two. I’ve asked them to swap me out for the correct item and I added that a member on RamForum has the same issue - so they have at least two wrong packages sent out. If I can confirm the correct part numbers needed to buy the correct parts for my truck, I may just do that and make another return! My truck is a Tradesman with the black/diesel gray interior. It’s a very subdued look and I prefer it over lots of gloss and shine.

 

[mlrtimemach]

After waiting 20 days I informed them if I didn't receive my order by the end of that week which would make 25 days to cancel my order. I said your website said my radio was available an then you tell me 2 weeks later after I contacted you that all your waiting on is the bezel it will ship by the end of the week. Then you tell me the following week my truck required something different for the radio but you'll let me know when you have the tracking number from the manufacturer. Or if I wanted I could get a radio from a 1500 it just wouldn't have the lines in the back up camera. I informed them I spent too much money as it was I didn't expect this sort of service an I want what I ordered or again cancel my order. 3 days later I received confirmation my order shipped.
I'm done with those people. If this radio died tomorrow I'd take a sledge hammer to it an move on. No I'm not bitter, just expected better customer service

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[djcwardog]

Wow, similar story for me on my first order - the 12” UAX kit. Almost exactly when they were sending me a reply email to say it was back ordered I was getting a separate email from them with the shipping and tracking info.

For the second order - the UAM kit - I have reengaged with them to ask for a partial refund to cover the cost of what I believe is the correct bezel (6VQ511AHAA) that I had to order from Bamwholesaleparts.com. Going on with this wrong parts litany, their kit also had center stack # 68370124AA which shows as in the photo - clearly for a diesel truck. They use the VIN and even list it on the order form so they should be able to select the proper parts from a list. Although I made a mod to keep the wrong center stack, the correct one for my application may be 68340284AD.

I solved the problem of having a ridiculous second traction control button but it was not for the faint of heart. It requires that you pull all those big knobs off the face. You use a small torx bit to get the shiny screws out of the back and then you can see what to do. I swapped parts over from behind where the climate and radio buttons are. I was able to dismantle BOTH center stacks. In summary: Pull the PCB assembly out from the front where you already pulled off the knobs. You will see a black plastic section resting on the PCB. This secures your buttons and the light rings for the big knobs. Use this piece from the 5” stack. Carefully slice the rubber isolator pad on the 8.4 board overlay in the outline shape of the pad from the 5” board. Replace what you just cut out with the actual pad from the 5” board. This is how you get the single, large, 4-way button to work on the new board. The actual circuitry for the 4-ways is the same on both versions. The 8.4 board adds more PCB to accommodate the 2 buttons they give you for the radio - but the middle support piece that I swapped has the empty holes for those as well.

By the way, the bezels for a 5” (mine was part #5YU412X7AF) and an 8.4” seem almost identical. However, they are not. The spacing of the mounting holes that mate with the center stack is slightly off, so you can’t use your 5” bezel unless you grind/drill into it. I prefer to just get the right part. Speaking of parts, the little rubber mat at the top that hides the two screws used to secure the whole thing? For the 5” and 8.4” bezels I think it’s the same part: 6MB15TX7AA. For the 12” bezel, that one uses a shallower mat, part # 6MB15TX6AA. Maybe $10 for either one.


Here you can see that I got the full-width 4-way button from my 5” stack into this 8.4” stack. I also replaced the shiny fake wood trim top-center piece with the matte black piece that came on the 5” bezel. Those parts do indeed swap. Once I get the new black/diesel gray outer bezel this will be perfect!


Here is the parts description for the WRONG center stack that infotainment.com sent with my order.


Here’s the back of the 8.4” Uconnect 4 UAM kit. You can see that radio mounting bracket, part #68354583AA, has much less structure than bracket part # 68354582AA which is used to secure the 5” UAA radio. If you are thinking of mounting an aftermarket radio, then perhaps the 5” bracket is the better choice for fabricating your own mounting solution. No Metra or other kits out yet for us.


Detail view (blurry though) of the radio label showing part # 68428584AC, now superseded by 68399198AF.


This is the back of the WRONG “center stack. Lower” that shows the part number. I believe that part # 68340284AC would have been the correct one for me, but I solved my problem when I did the button swap mod.

 

[mlrtimemach]

Lot of good info. As for that extra traction control button appreciated that info. I don't even notice it anymore but maybe one day I'll change it out with the one from my 5" bezel. I like the way that looked on yours.
For now it'll sit as it is. Too many other irons in the fire with gettin the bed painted today an gettin ready to go to the race next weekend has all my time used up an then some.
Preciate all the info!!

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[g00fy]

So i ordered all the parts i needed to install a 12" UAX into my tradesman, found a screen in great shape on ebay, as well as a UAX Radio module with the security code, the only piece i purchased new was the bezel. Had another member build me a Y harness to allow me to relocate my manual climate controls for use until a solution comes out to properly integrate the UAX climate controls into the tradesman climate control system. Should in theory have all the parts saturday and I'll be testing it out. I'll post how it goes. At the moment, for all the parts + the Y harness, i'm in about $1400, a far cry from the $4000 Infotainment wants for their kit.

 

[djcwardog]

Good luck with your plan, should be a good outcome. As for me, I got refunded what I spent with them so lesson learned.

UPDATE - here it is now, all done for me. I confirm that the Mopar part # 6VQ511AHAA will net you a bezel with air vents and the matte black top piece. Most importantly, the “diesel gray” (dark gray) trim is the perfect match to what came in my Tradesman truck. You have to transfer over your center stack, lower buttons (with trailer brake in my case), and the 12v power outlet. Now this looks OEM. Call it done...unless a good answer comes to hand for getting an ATC retrofit in my truck sufficient to run the UAX 12” screen.


What infotainment sent me on the left after I swapped in my matte black top piece for the fake wood top piece it had. They sent it fully assembled as a UAM kit, screen in place, ready to plug and play. On the right you see the correct bezel for which I paid BAM just over $200. The photo shows that I’ve already swapped over the center stack and lower controls from the incorrect bezel on the left. I had to get this bezel after infotainment told me that they would neither get me the correct bezel to match (even though they demand your VIN to place the order) nor give me a partial refund. Lesson learned at not too bad a price in this case. They did fully refund me on the aborted UAX kit. They were willing to accept a return for full refund on this, second kit (the UAM) but, you know, I am just done with messing around pulling these in and out of the truck. Job done! Infotainment seems to have a conceptual issue in failing to understand that with a VIN they can order in 4 or 5 different bezels and make up their kits for the exact trim level of the truck they’re going in to. I let them know and they reply was that “they were providing my feedback to the supervisor.” Never again!


Back in the truck - now this looks OEM!


Closer view to show the “diesel gray” bezel trim that matches the rest of the subdued interior perfectly.

 

[g00fy]

So I got the module listed in the post Jimmy made with all the part numbers, I got the video cable to link the module to the screen, but the screen isn't working... The part number for the screen I got is 68420967AC. Any suggestions? Do I have to enable something in Alfa? The lights on all the buttons work and the hazard switch works, the screen just won't power up.

 

[Jimmy07]

So I got the module listed in the post Jimmy made with all the part numbers, I got the video cable to link the module to the screen, but the screen isn't working... The part number for the screen I got is 68420967AC. Any suggestions? Do I have to enable something in Alfa? The lights on all the buttons work and the hazard switch works, the screen just won't power up.

Yes, you need the windows version of AlfaOBD so you can enable cabin-net display screen module, and disable cabin-net integrated center stack. You need the windows version because display screen module doesn’t show up in the Ram BCM settings list, so you have to connect to a 2017 Pacifica BCM in advanced mode. (I thought I posted these settings earlier, but must have been a different thread)

 

[g00fy]

Is there a thread somewhere that spells it out in a bit more detail, I'm kinda lost in struggle Forest with this windows version of Alfa.

 

[Jimmy07]

Is there a thread somewhere that spells it out in a bit more detail, I'm kinda lost in struggle Forest with this windows version of Alfa.

In regular mode (default), select your truck and BCM as MY2016-17, and connect. Once connected, select advanced mode. Drop down the list of BCMs and select 2017 Pacifica (all the way at the bottom). Then select activate diagnostics. Drop down the list and select car configuration change. Drop down the lower list, and find cabin net display screen module and enable it. Find cabin net integrated center stack and disable it.

 

[Jimmy07]

In about 20 minutes, I can get some screen shots of me doing it if you need.