RP 20-820 are gone, what do I do now?

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Some comparisons between the RP 20-500 and the 20-820. I would run either or.
Thanks for this, I have a 20-500 sitting on the shelf ready to go but I haven't looked at it yet.

2 additional oil flow holes on the 20-820 vs the 20-500, does that make much of a difference? The holes on the 20-820 look a bit larger too.

Edit: Removed my dumb question: Here is what the inside of the 20-500 looks like

 
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There are reasons why the 20-820 is a better/best filter imo, thus why when they were having stock issues 3 or 4 of us stocked up on them. For the guys running the 20-500, they have reported no difference in psi, it matters how much is behind the holes and the 20-500 is plenty deep, as opposed to the 10-48 that has more restriction. I'm not sure there is any value on anti drainback valve due to the location on a 1500, those help a little more when they are installed sideways on an engine, but I do believe there is one.

The beauty of the 20-500 is that loose thick media that separates rp from the field, and it has more then the 20-820. Fram Ultra is a close second imo, but those 20-500's have always been built this way, the fram ultra changes and hasnt maintained it's media identity for hardly any length of time. I have even had heat cycles in my wifes suv stiffen the media when there was a RP right next to it and it's media was fine. how can that be? Thanks to my wife, her car is a canister type filter so the media is what you see first, or we wouldnt even know this information, nobody cuts open new filters that were stored hot. It is a whole lot of information that you need to consider beyond just holes or an anti drainback valve where no anti drainback valve is needed in our application.. Operating psi and that beautiful loose thick media is the gem.

Valid questions g-ride for sure, and the title of the thread spells it out, your choices will be a big < =20-820. We thought puro boss might be a contender, the last posted test shows it is only moderately better then wix that is appropriately called the rock catcher. IMO there really are only two choices on filters right now that have been explored, RP and Fram Ultra. In both fairly scientific tests they both were on top, and it also jives with every test the forum has done on cutting open filters and research everyone has done. There may be other options out there, this market is contantly evolving, but from what I see there are limited choices, and why I was so worried I spent two hundred bucks in 2017 so I wouldnt have to worry about my ram. I literally had my truck tick on puro synthetic filter I still have a second one I might use as a flush sometime, but it was junk.

IMO it is a bit sad, if you want a paper filter you have a million choices, but if you want the best you can construct there is so few choices. Another option is to consider the blended filters, which fram ultra seams to be in and out of. It had to be blended media that caused my wifes filter to stiffen, spun microglass doesnt stiffen. Now, they "say" it is 100% synthetic, but they said that back then too. More fram ultra filters need to be cut open after intervals to verify, it is "possible" it can even be a better choice then out 20-820, but I have yet to see that evidence YET.
 

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And there still is a clone to the rp 20-820 out there, so the amsoil EAO11. If you want to look at it this way, the rp 20-820 is still available, it just isnt purple and it says amsoil on the side of it. I guess it might have less holes as well, but the same size and media.

overkill reports that he likes this filter as well. That the rp 20-820 clone makes his truck have less start up noise then a whole host of filters.
 
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Don't look at pictures - look at the surface areas - I provided these to you.
 

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The clone amsoil yes Oil Filter - EAO11, if not 20-500 royal purple, or new stock fram ultra xg2. Ant of these are top shelf imo. I'd probably go rp 20-500 if I were out.
This 20-500 RP filter fit on our ram 1500s? This is what I use on the wife’s 2018 GMC Yukon.
 

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This 20-500 RP filter fit on our ram 1500s? This is what I use on the wife’s 2018 GMC Yukon.
It will fit, it has the same face as oem 10-48 size, it is just deeper. Page 93 oil filter thread showed the 20-500 as far as flow and filter efficiency versus some popular filters.
 

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amazon has had them on sale 11.99 for weeks now, especially good since the 20-820 is completely sold out. I know I'm short sided, but personally amazon saves my bacon weekly with hard to find stuff.
Now $11.39 :oops:. I would however stay away from those "USED" ones that are being offered on Amazon :eek:
 

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Your Ams oil guy didn't recommend an amsoil filter? dang! I know Amsoil is great and they are most likely on-par with RP.
The last time I spoke with an Amsoil rep, he actually recommended a Wix XP when I told him I was putting barely over 6,000 miles per interval.
 

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Fram XG10060 or XG2. As I understand it, they are identical except the XG2 is a little larger.

They make good stuff and horrible stuff, the 2 filters above are great.

You can also just use the smaller RP 10-48. Nothing wrong with it and if you're worried just replace it half way through your oil change cycle and top back up another half quart or whatever.
So the RP 10-48 is only good for about 4,000 miles?
 

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Some will disagree with me, but I have always used Mobil1 0w20 oil with M1-133a oil filter. I have never had issues and valve "ticking" has all but been eliminated at idle. I use the Truck/SUV blend, designed for higher stress needs of a truck and i change the oil every 5000 miles. Doesn't matter if i did towing or not. No issues
Don't you mean the M1-113A? I couldn't find a M1-133A and according to Mobil 1's site, the 113's what they call for.
 

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So the RP 10-48 is only good for about 4,000 miles?

I honestly don't know, "good" can be a little subjective when it comes to this. I personally am far less concerned about the filter than the oil itself. I'm running the smaller Fram Ultra which is synthetic media and silicone ADV and I'll run it to my next oil change, which basically means I'd have it for about 12,000 KM or 7500 miles (half year of driving for me). I'm perfectly fine with that, it's good enough for me, but obviously the bigger Fram Ultra (XG2) and the bigger RP options are definitely better.
 

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I honestly don't know, "good" can be a little subjective when it comes to this. I personally am far less concerned about the filter than the oil itself. I'm running the smaller Fram Ultra which is synthetic media and silicone ADV and I'll run it to my next oil change, which basically means I'd have it for about 12,000 KM or 7500 miles (half year of driving for me). I'm perfectly fine with that, it's good enough for me, but obviously the bigger Fram Ultra (XG2) and the bigger RP options are definitely better.
So why are they better, just because they’re bigger? Do they filter better or just hold more of the gunk they filter out? And I’m pretty much talking about both the RP 10-48 vs the 20-500 and that other 20-528 or whatever it is and the Fram XG2 and the XG-100 something, something or other.

I have an oil change myself coming up at the end of the month and I’ve pretty much settled on the 5W-20 extended performance mobile 1- at least until the results come back from Blackstone on how well the Schaeffers 9000 extreme 5W20 did that I’m currently using but I’m not quite there yet on what oil filter I want to try now. So far I’ve just been using the WixXP but if there is something else better than that oil filter then I am definitely interested.

Right now I’m pretty much down to the Royal purple 10-48 and that smaller version of the Fram XG but I have been kicking around the idea of the mobile 1 M1-113A.
 
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So why are they better, just because they’re bigger? Do they filter better or just hold more of the gunk they filter out? And I’m pretty much talking about both the RP 10-48 vs the 20-500 and that other 20-528 or whatever it is and the Fram XG2 and the XG-100 something, something or other.

I have an oil change myself coming up at the end of the month and I’ve pretty much settled on the 5W-20 extended performance mobile 1- at least until the results come back from Blackstone on how well the Schaeffers 9000 extreme 5W20 did that I’m currently using but I’m not quite there yet on what oil filter I want to try now. So far I’ve just been using the WixXP but if there is something else better than that oil filter then I am definitely interested.

Right now I’m pretty much down to the Royal purple 10-48 and that smaller version of the Fram XG but I have been kicking around the idea of the mobile 1 M1-113A.
The main reason for my post was really just concern that the 20-820 was not available anymore. With the 20-820 I found an oil/filter combination that I am happy with and I didn't want to change. Although with this 20-500 being a bit smaller diameter, that should make it easier to install too which will be an added bonus.
 

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Confused why you guys are saying you can’t get them looks like you can special order on summit?
 

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So the RP 10-48 is only good for about 4,000 miles?
or no miles, their clone filter had thrown so many codes amsoil no longer recommends them for a ram. There is too much restriction on the smaller filters.
 
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Confused why you guys are saying you can’t get them looks like you can special order on summit?
No ETA when they will ship or be available again.
 
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