Quieting Hemi Tick

[mcdo3920]

Had free oil changes for 2 years come with the truck (Toyota Dealer). I did my first one about 4 months ago. Within a couple months low and behold a tick started to develop on startup. I'm not sure what they used, might not even be a synthetic. With it being free I assumed they would put something basic in but obviously the engine doesn't like it.

I'm done with the crappy dealer oil, I'll just starting doing the oil myself. Redline 5w30 sounds amazing but in Northern Minnesota it gets down to -40 to -50 with wind chills in the winter. I'm afraid that running that thick of an oil would cause some major issues on startup. Especially if I'm on the ice fishing or something. Anyone think I would be safe just running the 5w20 instead to try and quiet the startup tick? I also see a sweet deal on the PYB 5w20 on amazon. $25.00 for a 5qt! Might try that one too and see how it takes.

 

[Hemi395]

Had free oil changes for 2 years come with the truck (Toyota Dealer). I did my first one about 4 months ago. Within a couple months low and behold a tick started to develop on startup. I'm not sure what they used, might not even be a synthetic. With it being free I assumed they would put something basic in but obviously the engine doesn't like it.

I'm done with the crappy dealer oil, I'll just starting doing the oil myself. Redline 5w30 sounds amazing but in Northern Minnesota it gets down to -40 to -50 with wind chills in the winter. I'm afraid that running that thick of an oil would cause some major issues on startup. Especially if I'm on the ice fishing or something. Anyone think I would be safe just running the 5w20 instead to try and quiet the startup tick? I also see a sweet deal on the PYB 5w20 on amazon. $25.00 for a 5qt! Might try that one too and see how it takes.

With those kind of temps in the winter, I would be looking at a 0w30. PYB doesn't come in a 0w nor does any other conventional oil. Redline 5w30 does flow down to -49F but I would run 0w30 at least in the winter. Redline 0w30 flows down to -76F.

If it were me, I would run Redline 0w30 or even PUP 0w40. Both have about the same thickness at operating temp and both will have good flow at those extreme low temps.

 

[R.L.K.]

Yep this ^^^^^^^

Or maybe run Redline 0W20 for winter oil
& Redline 5W-30 for the summer oil...

I'm partial to Redline [emoji16][emoji16] but you can't go wrong with PUP 0W-40 year round imo [emoji1303][emoji1303]
The PUP 0W-40 is a thin 40wt and shears to a 30wt quickly.

-40 to -50 good Lord , here even in the mountains in TN we might see 2-8° but no minus anything WOW ! F that

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[mcdo3920]

With those kind of temps in the winter, I would be looking at a 0w30. PYB doesn't come in a 0w nor does any other conventional oil. Redline 5w30 does flow down to -49F but I would run 0w30 at least in the winter. Redline 0w30 flows down to -76F.

If it were me, I would run Redline 0w30 or even PUP 0w40. Both have about the same thickness at operating temp and both will have good flow at those extreme low temps.

Thanks for the info yet again Hemi. Wouldn't the 0w30 or 0w40 mess with the MDS system though?

 

[mcdo3920]

Yep this ^^^^^^^

Or maybe run Redline 0W20 for winter oil
& Redline 5W-30 for the summer oil...

I'm partial to Redline [emoji16][emoji16] but you can't go wrong with PUP 0W-40 year round imo [emoji1303][emoji1303]
The PUP 0W-40 is a thin 40wt and shears to a 30wt quickly.

-40 to -50 good Lord , here even in the mountains in TN we might see 2-8° but no minus anything WOW ! F that

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Yea, I was originally from Idaho so the crazy temps were a shocker when I moved out here. I definitely see why so many older people fly south for the winter! Those temps are probably the most extreme we'll see. They don't last all that long either, usually a week or so tops. Some winters are worse than others as well. Last winter sucked, it didn't really get above freezing from November until about early April. We didn't really have a spring, it just went straight from winter to summer.

 

[gdawg55]

Yea, I was originally from Idaho so the crazy temps were a shocker when I moved out here. I definitely see why so many older people fly south for the winter! Those temps are probably the most extreme we'll see. They don't last all that long either, usually a week or so tops. Some winters are worse than others as well. Last winter sucked, it didn't really get above freezing from November until about early April. We didn't really have a spring, it just went straight from winter to summer.

Lived there for 2 winters and called it quits.....southern boy not used to eskimo temps. Best of luck to you. Def go with a 0w oil in the winter. I just did my first oil change with Redline 5w30 and my truck is running nice and smooth.

 

[SyN]

Thanks for the info yet again Hemi. Wouldn't the 0w30 or 0w40 mess with the MDS system though?

I not once had any MDS malfunctions or issues while running PUP 5W-30 or PUP SRT 0W-40 within my 2014 5.7L Ram!

 

[R.L.K.]

I not once had any MDS malfunctions or issues while running PUP 5W-30 or PUP SRT 0W-40 within my 2014 5.7L Ram!

I'll second that Sir SyN !! I've ran both PUP 0W-30 & -40 in my 5.7L and no issues for me .
I've actually ran Redline 40wt in my 5.7L which is much thicker and doesn't shear like PUP and no worries with that oil either .
Hope this helps .

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[Hemi395]

Absolutely no issues with MDS and a 30wt oil. In fact most people report that MDS operates smoother and more seemlessly with a Xw30 oil. Myself included until I turned MDS off via tuning.

 

[Burla]

20 weight is just too thin, I bet the 30 weight cushion is just a little better when the mds is operating.

 

[Burla]

Had free oil changes for 2 years come with the truck (Toyota Dealer). I did my first one about 4 months ago. Within a couple months low and behold a tick started to develop on startup. I'm not sure what they used, might not even be a synthetic. With it being free I assumed they would put something basic in but obviously the engine doesn't like it.

I'm done with the crappy dealer oil, I'll just starting doing the oil myself. Redline 5w30 sounds amazing but in Northern Minnesota it gets down to -40 to -50 with wind chills in the winter. I'm afraid that running that thick of an oil would cause some major issues on startup. Especially if I'm on the ice fishing or something. Anyone think I would be safe just running the 5w20 instead to try and quiet the startup tick? I also see a sweet deal on the PYB 5w20 on amazon. $25.00 for a 5qt! Might try that one too and see how it takes.

Don't consider weight when talking about winter rating, just pay attention to winter rating. You see 5w20 and 5w40 have the same cold flow starting clearance. All you can do is run 0 winter rated oil, and whether it is 20 weight or 30 weight in the ice cold it will be the same. Cold property Pour points of 0w20 and 0w30 are the same thing. Ester based redline has a cold pour -76F for either 0w20 or 0w30 weight. The starting visc is barely different, but yes the 0w20 will have a slight thinner start. However it is like 59 viscosity versus 55 just when comparing those two 0 winter rated oils, so in terms of it really mattering in your cold start, I say not likely. Just moving to ester/pao based oil buys you a lot of degrees in cold start. Get this 0w20 Mobil 1 has a pour point of -51c and redline is -60c. m1 is generally known as exceptional in cold temps, but it still doesn't compare to ester/pao oils.

 

[Burla]

oils get cloudy when they get cold before freezing, since the question is from a new poster I'll post this, been covered in syn thread.

 

[Hemi395]

Every time I watch that it always amazes me how clear Redline is

 

[Burla]

Yeah well thanks to you we even get to see those. I don't know what you were doing on them Russian websites, but I'm glad you came along that guy. Stop colluding with Russians Corey.

 

[chrisbh17]

A question for those with the tick that subsided with RL (or any other oil): could you hear the tick while driving too? Like under acceleration, under 2K RPM (because after 2K RPM I think the engine noise drowns it all out)

My truck sounds OK at idle, but ticks while accelerating. Right now running 5.5 qts PUP 5W-30 and 2 qts PUP 0W-40 to see if it changes, but curious if the issue was just at idle or while driving as well. Note I can only hear it ticking with the windows down and radio off. Put the windows up and you cant hear a thing from inside.

 

[Fitz-0518]

Chris, my experience with Redline 5-30 in my 03 5.7 230k. Right after the oil change, I could hear lifter rotation noise on first start up and after driving in hot weather. (I hate the word tick because it confuses some people who are hearing their injectors fire. Normal noise) Now that I have about 500 miles on the Redline, there is no engine noise at start up or after hot driving conditions. I understand that can be a normal engine reaction to the Redline additives and formula. Some engines need to circulate/cycle the oil in order to realize the benefit. You know I am OC on this. When I change oil again in this vehicle, I may consider RL 5-40 or 10-40 because of miles.
This week end I am putting RL 5-40 in the 2500 6.4 at 6000 miles. Will update post afterwards.

 

[Hemi395]

I only heard it at idle, never while driving. But at 2000 rpm my magnaflow is fairly loud...

 

[Burla]

Driving in the cab when moving I couldn't really hear tick, but then again I couldn't hear my Cummins either, just the turbo when I hit the gas. But when you get out of the truck it is ridiculous and nobody would want this noise to just show up but that is what happens. My truck was just fine for the first 3500 miles, then it developed this tick. I'm sure it is the same for everyone, because nobody would buy a truck with hemi tick in the first place. It wouldn't get past the test drive.

 

[chrisbh17]

Yeah, Im not 100% sure when mine started or if maybe it was always there. Bought the truck in October, didnt really drive it with windows down because it was cool out.

Had first oil change done by dealer at 2K miles around Feb, in went PYB 5W-20. About 5K miles I changed out the PYB for PUP 5W-30. Somewhere before the 5K mile change I noticed the tick, but it also coincided with better weather and driving with windows down. Brought it right to dealer and was told its internal exhaust noise, its as "normal" as it can be and not fixable.

Cold, warm and hot starts are fine..no noise. Idling is fine, you really only hear the fuel injectors and maybe accessories (A/C compressor, etc). Starting to accelerate, even on flat ground, you can hear the ticking. It seems to get quieter as the oil gets hotter, it surely does NOT get worse with hot oil, but even with the oil at 220 you can still hear it, especially in areas where there is something to bounce the noise off of. After about 2K RPM you cant hear it....not sure it just stops or if engine/exhaust noise drowns it out. BTW listening to YouTube videos of Hemi tick, this is NOT that...its quite like a sewing machine - the pitch is way too high to be something like bearings, rods, etc. For all I know it is actually the fuel injectors but Im not positive about that.

The PUP has been in for about 600 miles, so maybe it just needs some more time. Yesterday I swapped out 2 quarts of 5W-30 for 2 quarts of 0W-40 in hopes the extra moly will help. Also using the upsized RP filter....have checked my oil level a bunch of times per the manual (wait 10 minutes after turning off the truck) and its perfect: right at the top dot on the dipstick, so even with the larger filter my oil level should be good. Unless somehow a bad filter is the issue?

BTW my oil pressures are about what they used to be on FF and PYB - 60 psi cold, 32-34 psi idling in drive.

So far the engine seemed quietest on factory fill and PYB, but again it could have been noisy and I just didnt hear it. PYB would probably be a great solution but I cant really use it during our winters (I dont drive long distances so it never really burns off any condensation).

Next step is RL 5W-30, I just dont know how long (or even IF) I want to wait and see if it gets any better on the PUP stuff.

 

[Hemi395]

Yeah well thanks to you we even get to see those. I don't know what you were doing on them Russian websites, but I'm glad you came along that guy. Stop colluding with Russians Corey.

LOL