Quieting Hemi Tick

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Well the extended one seems to be from Century Services Warranty plus the Manufactures Warranty ... correct?

 

[R.L.K.]

I would let them put whatever they have at the dealer in you're truck. You don't want to give them any ammo to deny a warranty claim. Most likely what they put in will be a bulk PYB 5w20 or PGB 5w20, both of which are great oils. Then the Mopar filter which is a decent filter just not the greatest for extended intervals.

I would also suggest getting an oil change based on mileage, not the OLM in the dash. That way there will be a record at the dealer that shows you got oil changes more often. I'd go with 3000 or so for the first change, then around 5000 miles there after.

Yep I'd definitely do a shorter oci for at least the first one .
I'd be doing 3k max on any oil the dealer puts in [emoji1303]

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[Hemi395]

Yep I'd definitely do a shorter oci for at least the first one .
I'd be doing 3k max on any oil the dealer puts in [emoji1303]

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You know now that I really think about that I agree, 3000 miles max on dealer oil.

 

[Burla]

Good stuff Burla, yeah when I take it I will definitely be recording everything from the get go, I will "Exercise my 1st Amendment" which allows me to record in any public building.

Of course I will be calm and professional about everything before and hopefully I don't have to start throwing a fit lol ...

Not in our state buddy, it is two party state, look it up. That is why I say you must ask for permission (if it goes that far) to record him refusing to fix it.

If you are recording someone without their knowledge in a public or semi-public place like a street or restaurant, the person whom you're recording may or may not have "an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation," and the reasonableness of the expectation would depend on the particular factual circumstances. Therefore, you cannot necessarily assume that you are in the clear simply because you are in a public place.

Anyhow, just imagine a Judge hearing that a service advisor refused to be recorded or to give you a denial to fix a problem on a brand new truck, I'd pay for that, just the refusal to give info would screw FCA in court. It is sad it has come to this, but just imagine you were the guy who had a recorded problem with his transmission and FCA denying him based on him doing an oil change? If they want to get nasty, get nasty back, these assholes need to accept responsibility for the damn garbage. Week in week out we see cam/lifters failing, and allthough a tick isn't the same thing, it is a condition that they should be fixing imo.

 

[R.L.K.]

Not in our state buddy, it is two party state, look it up. That is why I say you must ask for permission (if it goes that far) to record him refusing to fix it.

If you are recording someone without their knowledge in a public or semi-public place like a street or restaurant, the person whom you're recording may or may not have "an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation," and the reasonableness of the expectation would depend on the particular factual circumstances. Therefore, you cannot necessarily assume that you are in the clear simply because you are in a public place.

Anyhow, just imagine a Judge hearing that a service advisor refused to be recorded or to give you a denial to fix a problem on a brand new truck, I'd pay for that, just the refusal to give info would screw FCA in court. It is sad it has come to this, but just imagine you were the guy who had a recorded problem with his transmission and FCA denying him based on him doing an oil change? If they want to get nasty, get nasty back, these assholes need to accept responsibility for the damn garbage. Week in week out we see cam/lifters failing, and allthough a tick isn't the same thing, it is a condition that they should be fixing imo.

That's right in the comistate of calicancerusa your constitutional rights aka your amendments have been amended by your diversified neighbors and friends [emoji36][emoji36][emoji35]

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[R.L.K.]

Either way Sir , if you choose dealer oil changes to support your warranty ( nothing wrong with that ) just make it 3k oci's [emoji1303]

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[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Good stuff ... So I will be scheduling my first oil change since I am at 2180 already.

And yes, a 2 way state, but as long as the public in a lobby is not engaged in a private conversation over the phone, then I have every right to record, but the service rep also has every right to refuse to say a word lol ..

But offtopic so lets get back on topic...

Really sucks that you buy a brand new truck to avoid issues like this if and when they happen. Sometimes it might just be better to buy a used vehicle lol ... sigh the struggles ! lol

 

[chrisbh17]

Honestly I feel like the fact we are even thinking about this means we will most likely NOT be victims. We take care of our trucks, evident by the fact that we have a very very very long thread about synthetic oil, what weight to *really* use, etc.

For all we know, they have solved the issue post 2015MY but we need to wait for more miles on those trucks.

I bought into the MaxCare Lifetime partly because of this but mostly because I keep my vehicles a long time. So, I expect this to be covered if (when) it happens. When asked if my doing my own oil changes would affect it, my dealer said the first thing they do is pull the valve covers and with that they can tell right away if the engine was cared for. At that point they send pics to FCA to see if further work gets covered or not. Pretty sure if they send pics of a sparkling clean engine, there wont be much to worry about.

 

[R.L.K.]

Also , if preparing for a warranty claim and especially the possibility of a lemon lawsuit in the future , not only document every dealer visit with their receipt and any other documentation but also with a normal UOA from Blackstone Labs especially if they have high iron ppms .

If you do a UOA this early I'd expect iron ppms to be pretty high approx 65+ ppms but less than 100 ppms imo[emoji1303]

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[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Either way Sir , if you choose dealer oil changes to support your warranty ( nothing wrong with that ) just make it 3k oci's [emoji1303]

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Yeah, I "WILL" be going with 3k oci's for sure ....

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Honestly I feel like the fact we are even thinking about this means we will most likely NOT be victims. We take care of our trucks, evident by the fact that we have a very very very long thread about synthetic oil, what weight to *really* use, etc.

For all we know, they have solved the issue post 2015MY but we need to wait for more miles on those trucks.

I bought into the MaxCare Lifetime partly because of this but mostly because I keep my vehicles a long time. So, I expect this to be covered if (when) it happens. When asked if my doing my own oil changes would affect it, my dealer said the first thing they do is pull the valve covers and with that they can tell right away if the engine was cared for. At that point they send pics to FCA to see if further work gets covered or not. Pretty sure if they send pics of a sparkling clean engine, there wont be much to worry about.

Exactly chrisbh, this is why I am asking all these questions well ahead of time. I know plenty of people that have dealt with these issues but caught them or understood what they were and meant a little to late.

Also , if preparing for a warranty claim and especially the possibility of a lemon lawsuit in the future , not only document every dealer visit with their receipt and any other documentation but also with a normal UOA from Blackstone Labs especially if they have high iron ppms .

If you do a UOA this early I'd expect iron ppms to be pretty high approx 65+ ppms but less than 100 ppms imo[emoji1303]

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RLK, yes I will be waiting a little longer before I get the first UOA done ....

 

[R.L.K.]

Good stuff ... So I will be scheduling my first oil change since I am at 2180 already.

And yes, a 2 way state, but as long as the public in a lobby is not engaged in a private conversation over the phone, then I have every right to record, but the service rep also has every right to refuse to say a word lol ..

But offtopic so lets get back on topic...

Really sucks that you buy a brand new truck to avoid issues like this if and when they happen. Sometimes it might just be better to buy a used vehicle lol ... sigh the struggles ! lol

You may never have a cam or lifter issue ...my truck was very loud similar to yours while on dealer oci's [emoji1303] , I didn't upgrade my oil to Redline 5W-30 untill 20k miles.... boy am I glad I did as my engine is more quiet than any V-8 I've owned ...an that's a long list .... And my iron ppms are very low now even with a 9,500 mile oci .

Folks like us on a forum about engine noise and different oils are hypersensitive about the subject , most folks 90%+ wouldn't even notice our ( your ) engine noise.


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[Burla]

Good stuff ... So I will be scheduling my first oil change since I am at 2180 already.

And yes, a 2 way state, but as long as the public in a lobby is not engaged in a private conversation over the phone, then I have every right to record, but the service rep also has every right to refuse to say a word lol ..

But offtopic so lets get back on topic...

Really sucks that you buy a brand new truck to avoid issues like this if and when they happen. Sometimes it might just be better to buy a used vehicle lol ... sigh the struggles ! lol

Likely no DA would prosecute for that, however it may be not admissible as you would have dirty hands in the eyes of the law. Like I said, a judge hearing a denial to even record that they wont work on the car would be detrimental to them. That is exactly what happened to me dude, the dealer said we are not taking in your truck we tried but can't fix it. No receipt, no nothing, and in CA you have to give them 4 attempts to fix it within 18 mos, unless they refuse to fix it, which I am betting they will. It's your call, but having gone through this I would suggest you simply ask if he minds being recorded, but it's your call.

Funny, I only sued them because I was pissed they didn't try and fix it again, I didn't actually think I was gonna win

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

You may never have a cam or lifter issue ...my truck was very loud similar to yours while on dealer oci's [emoji1303] , I didn't upgrade my oil to Redline 5W-30 untill 20k miles.... boy am I glad I did as my engine is more quiet than any V-8 I've owned ...an that's a long list .... And my iron ppms are very low now even with a 9,500 mile oci .

Folks like us on a forum about engine noise and different oils are hypersensitive about the subject , most folks 90%+ wouldn't even notice our ( your ) engine noise.


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Exactly, when I first heard that start up chatter I quickly check on youtube, then I saw it here on the forums and started to read up on it all.

When if you have, did you start doing your own oil changes?

Likely no DA would prosecute for that, however it may be not admissible as you would have dirty hands in the eyes of the law. Like I said, a judge hearing a denial to even record that they wont work on the car would be detrimental to them. That is exactly what happened to me dude, the dealer said we are not taking in your truck we tried but can't fix it. No receipt, no nothing, and in CA you have to give them 4 attempts to fix it within 18 mos, unless they refuse to fix it, which I am betting they will. It's your call, but having gone through this I would suggest you simply ask if he minds being recorded, but it's your call.

Funny, I only sued them because I was pissed they didn't try and fix it again, I didn't actually think I was gonna win

Lol .. I just hope I never have to go through all this ... by doing everything possible to prevent this from happening and with the advise you guys are giving me I hope my truck never ends up with this ...

 

[Burla]

6 years ago we were just trying to get a handle on this, we didn't even know how prevalent it was, didn't even know about the number of cam failures. You are coming in at the end of a long pilgrimage for many of us. You can read the journey in the syn thread. In the end, it is your truck, and it needs to be your strategy. About half the forum uses 5w20, and half the forum uses heavier then 5w20, there is a poll. The hemi specific oil was designed with fca support has a lot of molybdenum in it, it is what the industry uses for dry starts, but fca oil has over 250ppm, most oils only have 60-70ppm moly. Obviously, Redline is also a pao/ester based oil, another step up in metal protection. You just need to access your own desire to take any risk in your lubrication. Many of us think that using 5w20 group 3 is the risk, as in your are risking your equipment by using that thin oil. Others think that using a different viscosity or a non certified oil is the risk. One thing also, if you went with redline or other no cert oil, nothing saying you couldn't change it if your cam failed BEFORE you took it to the dealer, feel me? Hope this helped, good luck man.

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

6 years ago we were just trying to get a handle on this, we didn't even know how prevalent it was, didn't even know about the number of cam failures. You are coming in at the end of a long pilgrimage for many of us. You can read the journey in the syn thread. In the end, it is your truck, and it needs to be your strategy. About half the forum uses 5w20, and half the forum uses heavier then 5w20, there is a poll. The hemi specific oil was designed with fca support has a lot of molybdenum in it, it is what the industry uses for dry starts, but fca oil has over 250ppm, most oils only have 60-70ppm moly. Obviously, Redline is also a pao/ester based oil, another step up in metal protection. You just need to access your own desire to take any risk in your lubrication. Many of us think that using 5w20 group 3 is the risk, as in your are risking your equipment by using that thin oil. Others think that using a different viscosity or a non certified oil is the risk. One thing also, if you went with redline or other no cert oil, nothing saying you couldn't change it if your cam failed BEFORE you took it to the dealer, feel me? Hope this helped, good luck man.

I read what you use, but I forgot .. so what exactly do you use ... I know that your truck is a 2010, does anyone here have a 2018 Big Horn that can share their preferences when it comes to this subject?

 

[Burla]

I read what you use, but I forgot .. so what exactly do you use ... I know that your truck is a 2010, does anyone here have a 2018 Big Horn that can share their preferences when it comes to this subject?

Our engines are the same, 2009 to 2018 Rams. I use 5w30 redline with a Royal Purple synthetic filter. Read my oil filter thread in my sig, lots of good info. Here's an oil poll of what everyone on RF uses, the two most popular are Pennzoil and Mobil 1, funny thing about that is m1 doesn't carry the ram spec either. Amsoil and Redline top out the top 4, nothing else is really close.

The reason for the redline usage here is due to it's ability to silence hemi tick. It has a very high success rate, it is like no other oil on the list. It has the highest moly content read here, highest zinc rates 2002 levels, pao/ester base, see chart below for the difference. Hemi tick condition will likely be creating heat in that spot, see what polylol esters can do. PAO is known as Polyalphaolefin, you can also see what it can do in cold and hot conditions.

Read the first post in this thread if you haven't, H395 did us the favor of recording it and recording his entire lubrication journey for the forum. He is not a "redline" guy, he actually uses Amsoil in the diffs and his wife's car if I'm not mistaken. But redline killed his hemi tick, and mine, and many many guys on the board. Just off hand tj, david ram, U&A, tidesfan, and many many others, sorry everyone my memory was the second thing to go after my eye sight when I hit 50. We stopped keeping track after 20 guys had their ticks killed by redline, but we probably shouldn't have, we probably should have recorded it better, but to be honest it isn't a big deal, it is only trying it one time to see if it works, if not so what you have to change the oil anyway.

Nick@gotexhuast is where literally everyone on the board buys redline from, he is cheaper then the redline website and last info was if the order is decent he sends free shipping with it, PM him and verify, I'd get a least a case of 12, it comes in a nice box. I don't care what oil you use, if you use something else and it kills hemi tick we want to know about it. Perhaps one of the shortcomings in our testing is we didn't test as many options as we should have. Oils like Motul 300v is also similar technology.. GL, Burla

 

[Burla]

One last thing, just like the OP here, it can takes between 500 and 1700 miles, that is the science look at moly basics. Mine took 500 miles, h395 took 500 miles at first I think, then he tried another oil, then it took 1700 miles to get it quiet again, ot something like that. Ask him, but bottom line do not give up on redline until you have like 3,000 miles, if you went 3k miles and the tick is still there then redline can't help. There have been a few guys redline didn't help as well, it isn't a perfect option.

The only perfect option is to get it fixed.

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

Our engines are the same, 2009 to 2018 Rams. I use 5w30 redline with a Royal Purple synthetic filter. Read my oil filter thread in my sig, lots of good info. Here's an oil poll of what everyone on RF uses, the two most popular are Pennzoil and Mobil 1, funny thing about that is m1 doesn't carry the ram spec either. Amsoil and Redline top out the top 4, nothing else is really close.

The reason for the redline usage here is due to it's ability to silence hemi tick. It has a very high success rate, it is like no other oil on the list. It has the highest moly content read here, highest zinc rates 2002 levels, pao/ester base, see chart below for the difference. Hemi tick condition will likely be creating heat in that spot, see what polylol esters can do. PAO is known as Polyalphaolefin, you can also see what it can do in cold and hot conditions.

Read the first post in this thread if you haven't, H395 did us the favor of recording it and recording his entire lubrication journey for the forum. He is not a "redline" guy, he actually uses Amsoil in the diffs and his wife's car if I'm not mistaken. But redline killed his hemi tick, and mine, and many many guys on the board. Just off hand tj, david ram, U&A, tidesfan, and many many others, sorry everyone my memory was the second thing to go after my eye sight when I hit 50. We stopped keeping track after 20 guys had their ticks killed by redline, but we probably shouldn't have, we probably should have recorded it better, but to be honest it isn't a big deal, it is only trying it one time to see if it works, if not so what you have to change the oil anyway.

Nick@gotexhuast is where literally everyone on the board buys redline from, he is cheaper then the redline website and last info was if the order is decent he sends free shipping with it, PM him and verify, I'd get a least a case of 12, it comes in a nice box. I don't care what oil you use, if you use something else and it kills hemi tick we want to know about it. Perhaps one of the shortcomings in our testing is we didn't test as many options as we should have. Oils like Motul 300v is also similar technology.. GL, Burla

I read the whole thread which is why I am less concerned but at the same time more educated on this matter.

I totally forgot you were the OP of that thread ... good stuff in that thread by the way ... tons of knowledge

 

[CheechDogg.0n37s]

One last thing, just like the OP here, it can takes between 500 and 1700 miles, that is the science look at moly basics. Mine took 500 miles, h395 took 500 miles at first I think, then he tried another oil, then it took 1700 miles to get it quiet again, ot something like that. Ask him, but bottom line do not give up on redline until you have like 3,000 miles, if you went 3k miles and the tick is still there then redline can't help. There have been a few guys redline didn't help as well, it isn't a perfect option.

The only perfect option is to get it fixed.

Yes, I remember reading all that about waiting some time for everything to settle how it should with redline ...

Being that I have a brand new truck, haven't even had it's first oil change and the truck runs like a beast, I know that it will take a bit of time before it actually breaks in and I have a better overall understanding of what is going on.

Again, good stuff you guys ... thank you all !