Oil Filter Thread

corneileous · Aug 11, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
This is 7 years ago, I believe I was running Mobil 1 5W-20 per FCA viscosity recommendations. I was running the Fram Ultra XG Oil Filter, whatever number that was. I don't know what Mobil 1 formula was at the time, since they've messed around with formulations, not just for API, either.

Back then, (not now) when I changed to PUP 5W-20 the 5.7 Hemi not only stopped ticking, it stopped noticeably consuming oil, too. It had been using up to a quart per 5,000 miles, according to the dipstick reading. Not bad, you might say. Except that PUP consumed NONE! (noticeably on the dipstick, that is).

Back in those days I suspect Mobil was still decimated and cheapened by Exxon from the 1998(?) takeover.

Anyway, I tried PUP on my GM Big Block in my RV too. The recommended VG is 10W-30. Sure enough - it went from using a half quart of M1 in 3,000 miles / annually (we don't go far) to NONE for PUP.

Two completely different engines from different manufacturers. They both consumed M1 and not PUP in the same VG's. You might say that could be due to low cylinder wall wear, but I'd wager it was sticky piston rings, judging from the touting SOPUS did about M1 ring sticking in those days.

Been with PUP ever since. Except for Hemi, of course.

Wow, that’s crazy. I ran just the plain Mobil 1 full synthetic in the silver bottle in my old 2005 Dodge Stratus and 2004 Dakota for over 6 years and for 5 years, 35,000 miles in my 08 1500 Hemi and, they ran great. No noise, no oil consumption, no nothin.

danielmid · Aug 11, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
This is 7 years ago, I believe I was running Mobil 1 5W-20 per FCA viscosity recommendations. I was running the Fram Ultra XG Oil Filter, whatever number that was. I don't know what Mobil 1 formula was at the time, since they've messed around with formulations, not just for API, either.

Back then, (not now) when I changed to PUP 5W-20 the 5.7 Hemi not only stopped ticking, it stopped noticeably consuming oil, too. It had been using up to a quart per 5,000 miles, according to the dipstick reading. Not bad, you might say. Except that PUP consumed NONE! (noticeably on the dipstick, that is).

Back in those days I suspect Mobil was still decimated and cheapened by Exxon from the 1998(?) takeover.

Anyway, I tried PUP on my GM Big Block in my RV too. The recommended VG is 10W-30. Sure enough - it went from using a half quart of M1 in 3,000 miles / annually (we don't go far) to NONE for PUP.

Two completely different engines from different manufacturers. They both consumed M1 and not PUP in the same VG's. You might say that could be due to low cylinder wall wear, but I'd wager it was sticky piston rings, judging from the touting SOPUS did about M1 ring sticking in those days.

Been with PUP ever since. Except for Hemi, of course.

I run PUP in the Ram Hemi (5W-30) and PUP in my wife's Durango Pentastar (0W-20 for now per manufacturer specs), they both love that oil. RP filters for both as well, when you find what works well you stick with it.

corneileous · Aug 11, 2022

danielmid said:
I run PUP in the Ram Hemi (5W-30) and PUP in my wife's Durango Pentastar (0W-20 for now per manufacturer specs), they both love that oil. RP filters for both as well, when you find what works well you stick with it.

That 5W30 PUP has a lot more additive in it compared to the 5W20 version which is why I quit using it because I’ve always read on here that moly was the one additive that you wanted a large percentage of and according to my Blackstone reports, it was only around 50ppm.

danielmid · Aug 11, 2022

corneileous said:
That 5W30 PUP has a lot more additive in it compared to the 5W20 version which is why I quit using it because I’ve always read on here that moly was the one additive that you wanted a large percentage of and according to my Blackstone reports, it was only around 50ppm.

Here's my last Ram report after 8k miles (oil got toasty towing so I changed it earlier than normal):

corneileous · Aug 11, 2022

danielmid said:
Here's my last Ram report after 8k miles (oil got toasty towing so I changed it earlier than normal):
View attachment 499978

I stand corrected. I thought the 5W30 version of the Pennzoil ultra platinum had a lot more molly in it than that.

HEMIMANN · Aug 11, 2022

Burn2k12Ram said:
Doesn’t seem too bad(as far as being expensive to produce) seems they just dip it in a tar like substance but I tell you my previous oil filter was the xg2 and it does make it easy to just grip and take off even if on very tight(yes I religiously tighten). I watch my oil pressure like a hawk and noticed pressure was exactly the same between the xg2 and rp20-820. Both using PUP oil. If both RP filters become no more I have no problem using the seeming more available xg2(can get easily at Walmart)

I was only referring to the end plate. But yes, the stick-grip is nice. It wouldn't be the deciding factor to purchase for me, though. I would use the Fram XG too.

EdGs · Aug 11, 2022

I finally was able to change my oil and try the XG2 filter. Only 9975 miles since last change.

No noticeable difference in cold pressure that I can see yet, 51 psi. Will see tomorrow AM.

No real problems with fitment, had to tip it more to get it by the EPS, but thats it. Just filled the filter with oil, sat for a bit, then poured it out.

Burn2k12Ram · Aug 11, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
I was only referring to the end plate. But yes, the stick-grip is nice. It wouldn't be the deciding factor to purchase for me, though. I would use the Fram XG too.

Yes I agree that would not be a deciding factor for me either.

EdGs · Aug 13, 2022

Fitment of XG2. Sorry for the funky angle.

HEMIMANN · Aug 13, 2022

corneileous said:
Wow, that’s crazy. I ran just the plain Mobil 1 full synthetic in the silver bottle in my old 2005 Dodge Stratus and 2004 Dakota for over 6 years and for 5 years, 35,000 miles in my 08 1500 Hemi and, they ran great. No noise, no oil consumption, no nothin.

Remember that not all Hemi's tick or fail cams........it's statistical. One of the Technician Members estimated app. 5-10% of all Hemi's sold by his dealership had lifter and cam failures.

While that's astonishingly high failure rate for a mass production product, it still means the majority of Hemi's did NOT fail, at least not under warranty.

We know lubrication is involved, based on member experiences changing lubricants and filters - and in some cases, oil pumps. We also know that environment and application plays a role.

I would say it is likely that many Hemi's do not fail because the majority user profile is grocery-getter in moderate temperatures, and doesn't idle much. I'd wager contractors with high idle hours, hot/cold extreme environments, and heavy load hauling have the majority of the failures.

Just educated, deductive conjecture based on what I've seen here.

DILLIGAF · Aug 14, 2022

If High Idle and Cold killed the HEMIs, It would be a massive problem in Northern Canada and its not.

Electric steering rack's and that POS air system on the other hand...lol.

HEMIMANN · Aug 14, 2022

DILLIGAF said:
If High Idle and Cold killed the HEMIs, It would be a massive problem in Northern Canada and its not.

Electric steering rack's and that POS air system on the other hand...lol.

It's still statistical - a higher percentage, I mean. The lube system isn't starvation - it is inadequate under some conditions.

JB Weld · Aug 16, 2022

Royal Purple 20-500 does not fit my '19 1500 Classic. Just found out the hard way.

HEMIMANN · Aug 17, 2022

JB Weld said:
Royal Purple 20-500 does not fit my '19 1500 Classic. Just found out the hard way.

Does not "fit" how? Royal Purple filter find specs the same 10-48 OEM dinky filter as all of our Hemis.

Travis8352 · Aug 18, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Does not "fit" how? Royal Purple filter find specs the same 10-48 OEM dinky filter as all of our Hemis.

Theres no way a 20-500 would fit my 1500 its to tall of a filter

JB Weld · Aug 18, 2022

HEMIMANN said:
Does not "fit" how? Royal Purple filter find specs the same 10-48 OEM dinky filter as all of our Hemis.

It's too long. Maybe if I unbolt the motor mount and jack the engine up, I could get it in there. For now it's in the garbage.

hemihustlin · Aug 18, 2022

JB Weld said:
It's too long. Maybe if I unbolt the motor mount and jack the engine up, I could get it in there. For now it's in the garbage.

thats too bad! at least cut it open for us and post pics please! :favorites13:

Black1500Ram · Aug 18, 2022

JB Weld said:
It's too long. Maybe if I unbolt the motor mount and jack the engine up, I could get it in there. For now it's in the garbage.

I dunno what FCA was thinking with their packaging it seems to be different for all sorts of unknown reasons!

My huge 20-820 filter with tons of room length wise, diameter I have about 1/4” before touching something.

HEMIMANN · Aug 18, 2022

Maybe Ram Gen IV and V have totally different packaging?

Burla · Aug 18, 2022

How can the 20-500 not fit? We have people running them for years and the oil filter data says it does cross reference. It is a hair smaller then the small 10-48, so literally the only way it wouldnt fit is length, but what it is hitting? any pics? Is someone saying there is a reason the 20-500 doesnt fit other then it is too long? Anyone else other then one m,ember have it not fit? The length is preventing you from being able to spin it on? can you expand on that?

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